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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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To be honest, the blue camp is different only in rhetoric: if the red wants control in the name of national security, the blue wants the same control in the name of grotesque moral rightnessess. Fake news is a good summary of our media today, it just applies to both camps.

As a non-american, I can see how some actions of the left seem to be a bit over the top and as things escalated might really got a bit extreme too. But is a push against racism, for gender equality, LGBT rights really wrong? Do you notice, how much people, who stand for those issues, get attacked in the public discussion?

Neither party is racist, neither party is sexist, except for the fringe minority of both. They disagree on approach and methods, and twist that into believing their opponent is evil to the core.

Democrats think Republicans are evil racists for trying to shut down diversity mandates. Republicans think Democrats are evil racists for trying to impose diversity mandates. They both want to eliminate racism, but their worldviews cause conflict on how to do that.

There are some legitimate fundamental differences on LGBT rights, I'll admit. Not so much on LG, but as you get further into the abbreviation, it increases.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Your comparison is absurd. I'm sorry, but while Trump was often hostile to the media, the media and almost all major news sources (especially liberal-oriented ones) gave the hostility right back, in spades, openly and with no real threat to life or liberty for the editors and journalists involved. Trump made a lot of noise about authoritarian measures and personal wishes but if anything, did less than some previous presidents to actually try muzzling the media or journalists. I repeat, he was if anything the most heavily media-criticized president in recent history.

You then claim that this is the "same authoritarianism" as that of Putin's Russia, where the press is firmly muzzled, where you can and will go to prison for in any way openly criticizing the United Russia Party or Putin himself and where reporters or political opponents are regularly, frequently murdered even abroad for going against the grain of Putin's narratives too often.

No, these are not cases of different stages, they're cases of entirely different worlds. Trump's authoritarian noises were mostly just noises and sloppy backlash. Putin's authoritarianism is the real thing.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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In case anyone is curious, it appears that ROI = "return on investment", Vlad = Vladimir Putin, and TFG = "the former guy" = Donald Trump. It appears to be the ~4th time the latter abbreviation has been used on this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27920739

Thanks for the translation. I'm pretty new to HN, is mentioning Putin or Trump by name a surefire way to get banned or something?

>surefire way to get banned or something

No, but people like to self-censor sometimes ;)

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Not just America, in the EU right now: In Czechia up to 1 year for publicly supporting Russia (two people already detained): https://www.praguemorning.cz/expressing-support-for-russia-o... In Slovakia, supporting [Russian] war propaganda 10 to 25 years: https://spravy.rtvs.sk/2022/02/za-podporu-vojnovej-propagand... EU banned RT and Sputnik: "It shall be prohibited for operators to broadcast or to enable, facilitate…

Wow! That should be the real headline story. "Western" (w.t.f. does that mean?) state destroys freedom of speech in order to save it from Russia.

Those channels were toxic propaganda, psyops designed to divide and weaken Russia's enemies. Such things are never tolerated in war. I do think this is a period in human history where we're going to have to let go of some naive notions pertaining to "freedom of speech".

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What are the odds the same law will spring up in the US, but be good when we do it?

Probably in the EU, but that stuff gets squirreled in through private institutions here. Information clearing-houses like Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. will take it upon themselves after encouragement from the media and the government.

Not sure why, but I feel like there’s some difference between being blocked by these media outlets and being sent to prison for 15 years and/or experiencing a kafkaesque process where your whole life is in shambles.

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That's not even the worst part. Another proposition is to send anti-war protesters to war “so that they can see what's actually going on”.

So the idea is to arm the anti-war protestors, then put them near the officers who are running the war on the ground? Maybe I'm being cynical, but I think there may be some potential problems with that approach.

>> Maybe I'm being cynical, but I think there may be some potential problems with that approach.

This description matches everything that Putin and his lackeys have been doing since 22-02-2022

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Putin is no better than Hitler and nothing the Russian government says can be trusted. They only respect force, nothing else.

I’m sorry, but that’s a bizarre remark. Hitler can be held accountable for millions of deaths, in all kinds of inhuman ways. Putin is nowhere near that and I cannot see that happen either.

Didn't we only find out the truth about Hitler's millions after his death?
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