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Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by netizen-936824 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #272
netizen-936824 wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's assuming that our current model is the only/best way of doing things, which is a bit shortsighted

You will have to elaborate on what life looks like without businesses selling to customers, and otherwise going out of business if they do not sell to customers. At least it does not seem to involve any conventional use of the word business.

Exactly, and that might be a good thing. I don't have the answer to that question but it sure seems to me like our current system ruins lives and the environment to enrich the few who are willing to step on everyone else. Doesn't seem ideal to put it lightly

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by fragmede »

mannerheim wrote: post #239
roughly wrote: post #18

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But we saved some money by shuttering all our factories and outsourcing everything, so, who's to say what the right answer was. (/s)

How do you identify all the vital components for not just what you need to manufacture, but the components of those components? How many people here knew Ukraine was a major producer of neon prior to this, and its importance to semiconductor manufacturing? You could try to become totally autarkic, but then you have to support a national semiconductor industry along with every industry it relies upon indefinitely, whi…

Does it need full top-down control of a substantial chunk of the economy to happen? A few regulations saying 10% has to be made in-country, along with investigators and fines to back it up seems like it would work without going full centralized-and-planned economy.

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by Supermancho »

perihelions wrote: post #2

How is neon extracted and why does one country have a 90% monopoly (in this specific grade)? edit: Found this C&EN story from 2016 that adds context: - "Chip makers, which account for more than 90% of global neon consumption, are already experiencing high prices and some shortages stemming from the Russian conflict with Ukraine, Shon-Roy says. The war, which started in 2014, interrupted global supplies of the gas, ab…

> How is neon extracted and why does one country have a 90% monopoly

Monopoly is a misused term. Many monopolies around the world are market capture due to being sunk cost low price leaders. Replace "monopoly" with "cornered the market".

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by lotsofpulp »

netizen-936824 wrote: post #281
lotsofpulp wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will have to elaborate on what life looks like without businesses selling to customers, and otherwise going out of business if they do not sell to customers. At least it does not seem to involve any conventional use of the word business.

Exactly, and that might be a good thing. I don't have the answer to that question but it sure seems to me like our current system ruins lives and the environment to enrich the few who are willing to step on everyone else. Doesn't seem ideal to put it lightly

I do not see how you can judge others for being “bigger assholes” if you do not have an answer for what better choices they should have made.

> Business are still run by people. Nobody was forced to see someone else doing something shitty and then say "well I just need to be a bigger asshole than that guy! Must be okay 'cause it's not illegal"

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by Aeolun »

ergthzerh3g wrote: post #287

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I’m not sure I would say ‘again’, he was wrong more often than not.

I’m inclined to believe that anything he said in regards to European countries sticking their heads in the sand is true though.

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by Aeolun »

darkhorn wrote: post #166

Some Russian products that you would like to avoid: * Yandex * Lukoil * WinRAR * Kaspersky * Lada * Russian Standard Original Vodka * Stoli Vodka * Baltika * Lukoil * Gazprom * Kamaz * Masha and the Bear * Kalashnikov * Stolichnaya * Ural motorcycles * VK

I don’t think anyone needs any prodding to stop using Kaspersky.
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