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I used Apple AirTags, Tiles and a GPS tracker to watch my husband’s every move

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Re: I used Apple AirTags, Tiles and a GPS tracker to watch my husband’s every move

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Post by pooper »

Dracophoenix wrote: post #276
Terry_Roll wrote: post #270

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Supermarket loyalty card schemes give away medical insights into people & households, that they perhaps wouldnt want as public knowledge. Search engines get given all sorts of data by people who give away medical data, financial data, crimes, both as victim and as perpetrator, past and present. Social media interests give away data about people as well. The internet is one giant intelligence tool and your every move,…

>Today smart phone's can tell if its you from the pressure of your finger, the surface area and shapes made by your finger as it moves around the screen. Again no need for login screens, but some people do know just how often women go through their partners smart phones! I'm surprised more women dont play poker! How exactly does one know of one's phone is being snooped on?

> How exactly does one know of one's phone is being snooped on?

You will definitely know when they tell you.

Re: I used Apple AirTags, Tiles and a GPS tracker to watch my husband’s every move

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Post by ambrose2 »

oauea wrote: post #237
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #223

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I want to let me kid (now 5) be more independent. These days, at least in the USA, kids aren't allowed out until they are 10 or even older, and even then they often don't get to take the bus alone (I started doing that when I was in 2nd grade, in the 80s when crime was much worse than it is today, I was biking on my own outside when I was in Kindergarten). But I thought...something like an air tag, cellphone, and may…

> a bodycam I'm sorry, are you serious or is this a joke?

They sounded serious; reminds me of the Black Mirror episode “Arkangel”.

Re: I used Apple AirTags, Tiles and a GPS tracker to watch my husband’s every move

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Post by Sunspark »

Gigachad wrote: post #247
technothrasher wrote: post #171

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> Checking in constantly. Wondering and/or quizzing their child This behavior is rampant in my peer group. Most of my friends/neighbors are constantly monitoring their teen age children's location, reading their recent calls, texts, and emails, looking at internet usage logs, etc. One of my neighbors even calls her daughter every time she sees she's driving over the speed limit and yells at her. It all seems so creep…

My bf and I share location, I think its pretty useful. Just shortcuts the "how far away are you" conversation every time we need to meet up.

You're still in the honeymoon phase. Wait till later when you're at the shopping mall and receive a text to come home now because they know where you are and it's been deemed a non-essential activity.

Re: I used Apple AirTags, Tiles and a GPS tracker to watch my husband’s every move

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Post by 3-cheese-sundae »

aeturnum wrote: post #246

I've been aggressively sharing my location with anyone who will have it[1] because I think it's important that we grapple with how many people might be aware of our location at this point. Our locations are all shared with many people we will never meet, often in ways that are indirect. The social experience of being able to see a 'location'[2] at any time is a pretty new idea (relatively) and I think the only way we…

Can you elaborate a bit on how sharing your location to others indiscriminately will increase awareness of involuntary location tracking?

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Post by juki »

astura wrote: post #222
toxik wrote: post #187

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How do they see their texts calls emails etc? Surely that’s illegal.

Children do not have any legal right to privacy. Especially not when the parents are paying for the cell phone and service.

Legal matters always depend on the jurisdiction. Here in Finland, for example, everyone has the right to privacy and "secrecy of confidential message". The law has a couple exceptions, but things like age or who pays for devices are not among them. A parent may only read a specific message addressed to their child if there is justifiable reason to believe that reading that specific message is necessary for the child's safety.

Of course it's pretty rare for children to actually press charges against their parent for that, but it has happened. Using computer software "designed or modified to" violate the law is also specifically mentioned to make it an aggravated offense, with maximum penalty of 3 years in prison.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

oauea wrote: post #237
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to let me kid (now 5) be more independent. These days, at least in the USA, kids aren't allowed out until they are 10 or even older, and even then they often don't get to take the bus alone (I started doing that when I was in 2nd grade, in the 80s when crime was much worse than it is today, I was biking on my own outside when I was in Kindergarten). But I thought...something like an air tag, cellphone, and may…

> a bodycam I'm sorry, are you serious or is this a joke?

Well, if I want to let him explore on his own somewhere outside, it might be an option. It isn’t something that we would sneak on him, he is already into gopro. It might work for some early trial runs? Like, walk around the block by yourself with this on (for a five year old, definitely not for a 10 year old).

Re: I used Apple AirTags, Tiles and a GPS tracker to watch my husband’s every move

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Post by aeturnum »

3-cheese-sundae wrote: post #284
aeturnum wrote: post #246

I've been aggressively sharing my location with anyone who will have it[1] because I think it's important that we grapple with how many people might be aware of our location at this point. Our locations are all shared with many people we will never meet, often in ways that are indirect. The social experience of being able to see a 'location'[2] at any time is a pretty new idea (relatively) and I think the only way we…

Can you elaborate a bit on how sharing your location to others indiscriminately will increase awareness of involuntary location tracking?

Sure!

So it's easy to think about all of the things someone could do to you if they have your location: hurt you, delay you, rob you, etc. But it's also very mundanely easy to get the location of a human. I'm sure, if you look outside your window, you can probably find one now.

So the question is how do we draw the lines? When does some random person on the internet knowing my location go from being amusing to being creepy? The only way I've found is to share with people and see how that feels. Because I have the opportunity to learn when someone new can see where I am and reflect on how I feel about that. Or, when I am going somewhere, it reminds me that people can see where I am going. The idea is to increase the opportunities to think about it and, potentially, to find fellow interested people to think about it with.

But, again, my *whole point* is that people can see where all of us are going and we have no idea who. None of us can say exactly how many people are aware of our locations. So the best we can do is reach out and choose to engage (or block) in the location interfaces we have access to and reflect on how those actions impact us and our lives. What do you get from telling Google where you are? What do you get from telling your mom where you are? What do you get from telling a stranger where you are? Are the three related and how?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

HWR_14 wrote: post #277
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #223

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I want to let me kid (now 5) be more independent. These days, at least in the USA, kids aren't allowed out until they are 10 or even older, and even then they often don't get to take the bus alone (I started doing that when I was in 2nd grade, in the 80s when crime was much worse than it is today, I was biking on my own outside when I was in Kindergarten). But I thought...something like an air tag, cellphone, and may…

> These days, at least in the USA, kids aren't allowed out until they are 10 or even older Or, you could ignore the overprotective parents and just let you kid run around. Maybe wait a few more years to align with your second grade goal, I don't know. But it amazes me you live in a neighborhood where most parents don't trust their 10 year olds to take the bus.

I’m sure the meth smokers often sitting in the back of the bus make our situation a bit special. Ever since Seattle metro stopped fair enforcement or really any kind of security on the buses, things have gotten a bit out of hand.

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Post by franga2000 »

technothrasher wrote: post #171
kbos87 wrote: post #32

My comment isn’t specific to AirTags, but there’s a much larger conversation that needs to be had about this gray area of stalking capabilities that are now built into many mainstream products. Here’s a pattern I’ve seen play out more than once among friends and family - they share their location willingly and for seemingly benign reasons. It’s helpful to know when you’ll be getting home so I can start dinner! Just i…

> Checking in constantly. Wondering and/or quizzing their child This behavior is rampant in my peer group. Most of my friends/neighbors are constantly monitoring their teen age children's location, reading their recent calls, texts, and emails, looking at internet usage logs, etc. One of my neighbors even calls her daughter every time she sees she's driving over the speed limit and yells at her. It all seems so creep…

Holy shit what happened to "have fun, just be back by dinner time"? I'm not that far from my teenage years so the fact that this is already happening to today's teens is a bit terrifying to me. We had cellphones back then and I had an early smartphone (Nokia N95 - anyone remember those?) when at least half my school didn't even have a brickphone, so the capability was there. Bot neither my parents nor the parents of any of my peers ever used it, even later when all of us had proper smartphones with parental control options only a few clicks away.

So what happened? Crime rates are down, kinds these days do drugs and drink at lower rates than back then, I can't remember the last time I heard of a kid go missing... We now have many privacy-preserving options for emergency tracking so there's less of a reason for total control than ever. Even monitoring Internet usage - there are fewer "predators" out there and kids are better at recognising and avoiding them than ever. I don't get it.

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Post by franga2000 »

ambrose2 wrote: post #282
oauea wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a bodycam I'm sorry, are you serious or is this a joke?

They sounded serious; reminds me of the Black Mirror episode “Arkangel”.

OP, as a general rule, when something you're doing reminds someone of a Black Mirror episode, please re-evaluate your choices.
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