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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

gruez wrote: post #204
Aldo_MX wrote: post #175

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99 / year is not enough???

Is it surprising that it isn't? To operate a car in the US, not only do you have to pay for vehicle registration fees, you also have to pay drivers license renewal fees and fuel surcharges.

It makes more sense to charge the end user of infrastructure to help pay for the development and maintenance of the infrastructure (fuel surcharges / iDevices cost money) than it does to charge the developers and maintainers of the infrastructure (the $99/yr).

That's like charging mechanics for repairing cars or charging road workers for the privilege of repairing roads.

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #174
throwaway22032 wrote: post #47

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Computers and phones are in fundamentally different categories because one has open software and the other doesn't. Whether you or people in aggregate choose to do things is distinct from whether they are effectively forced via planned obsolescence. That's what makes it planned. I know that my old car has lower fuel efficiency. It's actually not that bad, my 20 year old car gets about 45-50 UK MPG, a new one of the s…

> Computers and phones are in fundamentally different categories because one has open software and the other doesn't I have a grandparent who uses the same phone we got her a decade ago. It runs entirely on closed-source software. It works fine. Same for the Windows computer we got her five years before that. Meanwhile, my friend who runs AOSP on his phone has a new device every six months.

And I switched from an old phone ('13 model) to one a single year newer so I could run open software on it.

(Just counteracting your anecdote about the friend...shrug)

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Post by kerneloops »

Arnt wrote: post #40
sschueller wrote: post #12

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I don't think so and this is where unregulated markets (although I am not a fan at all) would push the prices down. If anyone can provide an app store and that app stores fees are lower people will move. What Apple and Google need to do is work on assuring that Apps can be uniquely identified (which the can already) and validated so that you don't have a clone of an App in another app store.

AIUI China has many mobile phone builders that all use android with minimal customisation, so they're basically interchangeable except for the prices of the vendor-provided app store on each. And apparently none of them use app pricing to undercut the others, unless I've overlooked recent developments? It's not clear to me why the Chinese competition fails at undercutting Apple/Google and the proposed app store compe…

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

criddell wrote: post #110
throwaway22032 wrote: post #59

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By contrast, your computer from 2013 is a computer from 2022 but a bit slower. The fact that you view "some stuff is broken but like, it's old" as okay is in my view an enormous concession. It should fully work, there is no reason for it not to other than them locking it down. It's fair enough that an original Motorola Razr isn't a smartphone because there are physical constraints. If the only thing preventing it fro…

I’d be surprised if your 2013 computer can install the latest version of Windows.

It can, but you have to work around the new planned obsolescence built into the newest version of Windows...a requirement for TPM 2.0.

At least from what I've heard, you can bypass the installer's check, and guess what, Windows 11 can still run even without TPM 2.0.

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Post by warkdarrior »

sschueller wrote: post #15
aeonflux wrote: post #10

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Supported side-loading is a thing on Android since day one? What innovation came out of this? Thousands of rip-off apps, all sort of malware pushed upon clueless users? I know, that some of those things are still a problem on iOS, but just imagine how worse this can gen, if they would be forced to open up the system for additional app stores.

Like SSL, Apple and Google need to do their part to provide a way for developers to validate an app and prevent clones from being installed instead even if coming from a 3rd party store.

Why should the app store prevent clones? Clones are just another name for competition. I want the app stores to ensure that the apps are safe, not that they are free of competition.

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Post by scarface74 »

skinkestek wrote: post #269
scarface74 wrote: post #251

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So now every website is doing some type of protest against regulation? It couldn’t possibly be that government is inept when it comes to understanding consequences of their legislation?

Every website thinks they are smarter than EU. In reality fines are already being written, Facebook is seeing the writing on the wall and is already now (this surprised me a bit) pulling the desperate "we'll take our toys and go home" card, hoping EU won't call their bluff. Let's be clear here: most of these informed consent banners are invalid. The rules are something like: - default is opt out - if a choice must be…

Do you really think it takes much to ge smarter than a bunch of lawmakers when it comes to tech?

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Post by sangnoir »

gruez wrote: post #278
sangnoir wrote: post #271

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Apple cannot "pull out" of the Netherlands by just not selling in the country. Dutch people can order phones from Belgium or elsewhere in the EU, and Apple will still be legally on the hook.

>Dutch people can order phones from Belgium or elsewhere in the EU, and Apple will still be legally on the hook. Okay, so they'll have iPhones brick themselves (or disable all third party purchases) if location services detect they're within the netherlands.

That will run afoul of EU consumer protection laws, Dutch citizens are also EU citizens.

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Post by sangnoir »

scarface74 wrote: post #279
sangnoir wrote: post #277

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The same way Attorneys General from midwestern states can sue coastal tech firms with no offices there: jurisdiction over where the users being harmed are. > How are the Dutch going to come after Apple if they don’t have a presence in the country? The EU is a single market, for good or for ill.

Apple actively sells devices in every state. It accepts credit card users from every state. If I only sold a physical product in GA and someone from Texas bought it and took it home. They could only sue me in GA under GA laws. The US is also a “single market”. But each state has its own laws.

There's also federal law. The AGs may not be (directly) involved - but there's an umbrella jurisdiction for consumers to get satisfaction. Just like the EU.

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Post by acd10j »

gruez wrote: post #209
acd10j wrote: post #168

I do not want Apple to enable side loading, as it will enable people like employers, Government shady companies to build apps and mandate it to install for accessing some very important functionality, also will trigger, carriers provided phones to have non app store crap installed like in Android phones. At the same time i think Apple is sabotaging all of us by insisting on getting this steep 30% cut. As no governmen…

>as it will enable people like employers, Government shady companies to build apps and mandate it to install for accessing some very important functionality 1. can't tell already do that with enterprise provisioning profiles? 2. can't you refuse them access to your personal phone and demand that they provide you a work phone?

Most of them don’t bother with employee provisioning profiles, also not everyone has sufficient leverage to demand a iphone with their employer.

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Post by jamil7 »

pauldd7 wrote: post #230
jamil7 wrote: post #48

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But if you're going through manual app review anyway can they just enforce one-click subscription cancellation like they do with one-click user account deletion?

Any app owner can deny that happened and charge you again next month.

An app owner can already pull all kinds of scams, it's Apple's job to enforce that they don't as much as possible, otherwise why are they taking such a large cut from my apps + 100 dollars per year?
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