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Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by mahogany »

op00to wrote: post #260
PostOnce wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disney robbed us, our children, their children, and possibly generations beyond that with their more-than-a-century copyright terms. I thought about posting this comment the other day and decided not to, but your mention of Disney+ stirred the idea in me again. We have so much modern media about Dracula, Sherlock, Cthulhu, etc, a thousand flowers bloom... new movies, new games, new art of all kinds. Disney & friends…

Man, what a bummer. People have to come up with new ideas rather than rehashing old ones. How will we ever stay entertained?

Except... Disney heavily relies on rehashing old ideas from the public domain. That same public domain that they fight against. If the Brothers Grimm were still under copyright, would Disney even have been started?

For example, you may want to take a look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disney_animated_films_...

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by tyingq »

kgwxd wrote: post #279
tyingq wrote: post #15

I'm curious if it was related to the file name. I created a few 1-byte files with just "1" in them, with different names, including "output04.txt". No problems so far. Also uploaded variations with "\n" and "\r\n" after the "1". And enabled sharing to anyone with the link. No issues so far. Google drive does support metadata like a description and comments. I wonder if someone posted some copyrighted text in a commen…

Did you do that with a throwaway account? You'd be playing with fire getting a bunch of files flagged on your primary account.

Nope, living dangerously :)

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by spicybright »

madaxe_again wrote: post #197
driverdan wrote: post #151

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> That's ridiculous. Storing social security numbers is necessary for lots of businesses. They should absolutely not be stored in a GSuite document. SSNs should be treated more securely than credit card numbers.

Why? You can figure out someone’s SSN if you know where they’re from and what their birthday is. They’re highly predictable - particularly given that you’ll often see the last four digits as the “obfuscated” version in lists etc, and the first three are state, and the next two are based on when they were born. Put the two together, and job done. They’re effectively public data. The fact that they’re used as a magic s…

Uhg, I wish I didn't know this lol

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by hlbjhblbljib »

JorgeGT wrote: post #248
knodi123 wrote: post #246

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"A review cannot be requested". What a soulless suck machine.

"In order to review, please reach the top of HN"

You do not have sufficient social credit to request a review, please become a better person and try again.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

Qub3d wrote: post #136

Always operate under the assumption that iCloud (Apple), Microsoft and Google will delete any/all of your data, with no notice, and for no reason. Because they explicitly reserve the right to do so in their TOSes. Not your computer, not your data etc. ( https://www.quentb.com/posts/diy-cloud-backup/ )

To clarify: Google isn't deleting these files. They're just "restricted", which as far as I can tell means they can't be shared publicly. It's triggering the mechanism to prevent people from using Google Drive as a file sharing service for copyrighted works. I think owners can still access their own files just fine.

That said, I agree 100% that you shouldn't rely on a single point of failure for any backup. Data must be in at least two places.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by josho »

lostcolony wrote: post #247
meshaneian wrote: post #238

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I believe 0 and 1 belong in the public domain, at least under US copyright law - there appears to be a significant amount of prior art.

Not sure if prior art is relevant, per se (usually quoted in the context of patent law but IANAL), but, certainly, any copyright has expired by this point.

Seeing as the default font used by google's file reader is Roboto and that typeface has only been around since 2014, so my expression of 0 using Roboto is copyrighted 2014.

I do not know how any of you _hackers_ stole my original work, and I certainly do not authorize it's use. Immediately send me your full name and address so that I can have my lawyers contact you.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by melenaboija »

discordance wrote: post #273
tyingq wrote: post #15

I'm curious if it was related to the file name. I created a few 1-byte files with just "1" in them, with different names, including "output04.txt". No problems so far. Also uploaded variations with "\n" and "\r\n" after the "1". And enabled sharing to anyone with the link. No issues so far. Google drive does support metadata like a description and comments. I wonder if someone posted some copyrighted text in a commen…

Make sure to encrypt your 0’s and 1’s

I really want to think there is few people left out there leaving their 0’s and 1’s unencrypted in the cloud, I hope this post gets enough hype to solve the problem

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by Qub3d »

panarky wrote: post #280
Qub3d wrote: post #210

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https://edit.tosdr.org/points/14762 Note the wording "we reasonably believe". There is nothing objective about this. Additionally: https://policies.google.com/terms#toc-removing > Removing your content > If any of your content (1) breaches these terms, service-specific additional terms or policies, (2) violates applicable law, or (3) could harm our users, third parties, or Google, then we reserve the right to take do…

> If any of your content (1) breaches these terms, service-specific additional terms or policies, (2) violates applicable law, or (3) could harm our users, third parties, or Google These are definitely reasons, are they not? For the record, would you please retract your claim that Google reserves the right to delete all data with no reason?

Alright, you are correct that I shouldn't have used the word "explicitly" in the GP comment. That said...

They have clearly shown and given themselves the freedom to remove data for any reason, including no reason, and we have seen it happen[0][1][2][3][4][5]. The point is all cloud providers have left the door open to opaque, subjective policy to do this.

You want explicit black-and-white statements. That isn't going to happen by design. Would you feel more comfortable if a person with the ability to shoot you didn't say, "I reserve the right to shoot you", but rather, "I may, if I find it reasonable under these categories -- where I am the judge, and jury, by the way, and no, you don't get to appeal -- then I will reserve the right to shoot you"?

For the record, I think Google can do whatever the heck they want with the data users choose to upload. I think that Google, if they wanted to, could require users to send a photo of themselves dressed as Snidely Whiplash as a condition of using their service. (And yes, I do think Google is a terrible evil company.)

But... It makes sense that they would reserve this right for themselves, because they of course don't want the legal quagmire they might invite otherwise.

But how clear they are about it doesn't change their actions, and really it ISN'T. THE. POINT.

The point is that data you upload has no guarantee of being there at any given point in the future. And yes, this is true of all providers, even to some degree enterprise ones.

Which is why it is a very, very good idea to set up backup systems that aren't dependent on the decisions of a third-party regarding your data.

We should recognize the salient reality of cloud providers, and operate with the playing field from there. Encrypt your data, make it redundant.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17428707

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9768593

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19513501

[3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26061935

[4]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621412

[5]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24965432

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P.S. Let's not forget that this isn't just Google. This is an industry standard. Regardless of your opinion on the legality/morality, it is what is in place: https://edit.tosdr.org/cases/201

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by vaillancourtmax »

melenaboija wrote: post #287
discordance wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make sure to encrypt your 0’s and 1’s

I really want to think there is few people left out there leaving their 0’s and 1’s unencrypted in the cloud, I hope this post gets enough hype to solve the problem

> I really want to think there is few people left out there leaving their 0’s and 1’s unencrypted in the cloud

This describes most everybody.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by andybak »

op00to wrote: post #260
PostOnce wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disney robbed us, our children, their children, and possibly generations beyond that with their more-than-a-century copyright terms. I thought about posting this comment the other day and decided not to, but your mention of Disney+ stirred the idea in me again. We have so much modern media about Dracula, Sherlock, Cthulhu, etc, a thousand flowers bloom... new movies, new games, new art of all kinds. Disney & friends…

Man, what a bummer. People have to come up with new ideas rather than rehashing old ones. How will we ever stay entertained?

That's not how culture works. Nothing is truly new and most creative works have been variations on those that precede them. The obsession with originality is remarkably recent and doesn't withstand much scrutiny.
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