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Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by deltaonefour »

jimbob45 wrote: post #189
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another example amongst many: Musk is really 'edgy' on Twitter. He won't say shit about china though. He has a car plant there.

That's fine but China's ultimately shooting themselves in the foot. "If they're not talking about you to your face, they're talking twice as much behind your back". No one is vacationing to China, no one is immigrating to China, no one willingly invests in China when alternatives are present. They're only going to prosper until they can no longer bully the world around economically and then they'll be post-Soviet Rus…

You'd be missing out if you don't. China is huge and it is far more than the injustices the media always likes to portray it as. Yeah I'm mostly on the side of the media but you have to consider that China is a complex country that exploded and grew into the technological super power it is today at a speed and rate no other civilization has achieved in the history of human kind.

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Post by diegof79 »

mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

The example in your comment is not specific to China, or even to present days. If you look at the history, the media narrative aligns to the status quo.

One difference is that nowadays China gained enough political and economic power to be part of the world leaders. So companies doing business there care about not offending their audience.

Take a look how movies in the 80s depict enemies: Latin America (all narcos or corrupt), Russia or Eastern Europe (cold and ruthless KBG agents), China (mafias that love occultism or rare rituals). Besides the occasional killer, it’s rare to find a big Hollywood production that offends the US or Western Europe audience. Producers will not risk to put tons of money in a script that may be offensive or politically uncomfortable.

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Post by nonethewiser »

me_me_mu_mu wrote: post #265
mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

People are tribalistic and end of the day whether you like it or not, the fact is that hundreds of millions of people (vast majority) are happy to live under ccp, just as {insert number} are happy to live under {insert country}. We can try to convince ourselves this isn't the case, but I don't exactly see progressive programmers giving up their massive Big Tech salaries as protest. No, they're happy to support whatev…

> People are tribalistic and end of the day whether you like it or not

Yet there are no movies being made where the US triumphs over China.

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Post by dpark »

defaultprimate wrote: post #277
dpark wrote: post #271

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> China has nowhere close to the supply chain, materiel, experience… You mean the country that manufacturers virtually everything Americans buy can’t handle supply chain logistics? > Remember China has an interest in trying to convey how "good" its military tech is on the global stage. The US does not. You seriously don’t think the US has an interest in impressing the rest of the world with its military might? Why do…

>You mean the country that manufacturers virtually everything Americans buy can’t handle supply chain logistics? Yes, there's a massive difference in military logistics and shipping the latest knock off kitchen appliance via a third party. Global economic sanctions on China would be far more detrimental to China than the US. There's plenty of alternatives. >You seriously don’t think the US has an interest in impressi…

> Yes, there's a massive difference in military logistics and shipping the latest knock off kitchen appliance.

Shrug. All evidence is that the Chinese have managed to create plenty of military tech. Stolen IP or not.

> You're right, we should just declassify everything the second an contract is awarded and it enters development.

This is a hell of a non sequitur.

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Post by ChemSpider »

alienbeast wrote: post #239
mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

Here's another perspective: My wife is Chinese, and my son is half-Chinese, born in the USA. I want my son to grow up feeling American, not like an outsider. I don't want movies depicting China invading the USA, teaching his young and impressionable classmates that "Asian = evil invader". I don't want guys that look like him getting gunned down on TV by guys that look like Chris Hemsworth. As you said, the stories we…

The same companies have no problem making 100s of Nazi movies or Japan Pearl Harbor movies. Yet they are afraid to touch any Chinese topic. That is the problem.

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Post by nonethewiser »

edm0nd wrote: post #278
alienbeast wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's another perspective: My wife is Chinese, and my son is half-Chinese, born in the USA. I want my son to grow up feeling American, not like an outsider. I don't want movies depicting China invading the USA, teaching his young and impressionable classmates that "Asian = evil invader". I don't want guys that look like him getting gunned down on TV by guys that look like Chris Hemsworth. As you said, the stories we…

Your son or his children might actually have to decide what side to be on eventually. IMO the US will go to war with China outside of economic and cyber warfare we have going on already.

He already picked a side. He very specifically said he wants his son to feel like an American. Not blaming him, just clarifying.

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Post by duped »

tharne wrote: post #139

I don't know why people keep expressing surprise at things like this. Contrary to what the U.S. Supreme Court would have you believe, corporations are not people and do not have morals or values. They are organizations that seek to maximize profit and grow. Any values a corporation projects are merely reflections of whatever the dominant moral force is in a given time and place. American corporations in the U.S. in 2…

> corporations are not people and do not have morals or values. They are organizations that seek to maximize profit and grow.

They are however made up of people who make moral decisions based on their values, including in their businesses. Plenty of corporations choose to do or not do things based on their ethics and morals. And acting as an agent of a corporation doesn't free you from moral peril when making those decisions.

I don't expect Intel the Corporation to have values, but I do expect the people within Intel who choose where they manufacture or purchase manufactured goods to have qualms about using slave labor for it, supporting a genocide in doing so.

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Post by defaultprimate »

dpark wrote: post #284
defaultprimate wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You mean the country that manufacturers virtually everything Americans buy can’t handle supply chain logistics? Yes, there's a massive difference in military logistics and shipping the latest knock off kitchen appliance via a third party. Global economic sanctions on China would be far more detrimental to China than the US. There's plenty of alternatives. >You seriously don’t think the US has an interest in impressi…

> Yes, there's a massive difference in military logistics and shipping the latest knock off kitchen appliance. Shrug. All evidence is that the Chinese have managed to create plenty of military tech. Stolen IP or not. > You're right, we should just declassify everything the second an contract is awarded and it enters development. This is a hell of a non sequitur.

>Shrug. All evidence is that the Chinese have managed to create plenty of military tech. Stolen IP or not.

They really haven't. There's no original R&D. It's just rushed, terrible copies.

Yes, there's a massive difference in military logistics and shipping the latest knock off kitchen appliance.

> This is a hell of a non sequitur.

I don't think this means what you think it means. Most of China's military capabilities presented on the global stage are rushed to the public eye as soon as possible. That's the point. The US has no interest in doing this because of adversarial nations like China. They have no need to prove they're ahead of the game or unveil what they're capable of, it's just accepted that they are and have private capabilities that far exceed what is publicly known (because that's the case).

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mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

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