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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by viktorcode »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #272

It might not actually be banned; there are reports on Twitter and Reddit saying it's just a DNS cache poisoning attack similar to one a few years ago. No one's posting good verifiable info though so I don't really know. Steam definitely seems to be inaccessible in China right now, but why and whether it's intentional is not yet clear.

But a ban can be expected, as Chinese government enforces a system that allows only pre-approved games to be available to the country citizens. Chinese gaming companies too had been hit with bans.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by viktorcode »

beebmam wrote: post #152

What will happen to Chinese games on Steam? I will be profoundly sad if they disappear. For example: Dyson Sphere Program is one of my favorite games of all time. If that's gone, I'm going to have a hard time not making the CCP my mortal enemy

Chinese games are free to be published outside of China. It is about the control of what's available inside the country.

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Post by auggierose »

7sidedmarble wrote: post #216
ErikVandeWater wrote: post #162

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> If that's gone, I'm going to have a hard time not making the CCP my mortal enemy Wouldn't be a bad choice, regardless of what happens with Steam.

> > If that's gone, I'm going to have a hard time not making the CCP my mortal enemy > Wouldn't be a bad choice, regardless of what happens with Steam. I can't tell if this is an ideological thing or not. There's a lot of states out there to vehemently dislike. But it's always this creepy strain of cold war torch-bearing that is so many people's pet cause. For the record, I think almost all states are on the exact sa…

That's wrong. Saying that two things are the same doesn't make them the same. So a comment like yours is either totally naive, or paid for by China.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by teeray »

meibo wrote: post #2

Note: this refers to the global Steam service/community - Valve still offers Steam China with a very limited/censored selection of mostly-Valve games, adhering to local child protection laws. Most Chinese Steam users have historically been using the global service instead, as this Chinese version of Steam has only been available since February 2021.

This also does not refer to the gaseous form of water, which was my first impression reading the headline

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Post by bigcat123 »

chunghuaming wrote: post #211
meibo wrote: post #2

Note: this refers to the global Steam service/community - Valve still offers Steam China with a very limited/censored selection of mostly-Valve games, adhering to local child protection laws. Most Chinese Steam users have historically been using the global service instead, as this Chinese version of Steam has only been available since February 2021.

As an average Chinese citizen right now: - You cannot travel abroad (no passport issued for average citizens, except for those that study/work abroad) - You cannot go beyond China's intranet legally (VPN is technically illegal in China). VPN services keep getting slowed/banned. - You cannot transfer much money out of country legally (50k limit a year, but you end up going to bank 10+ times just to be able to transfer…

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Post by alisonatwork »

freeflight wrote: post #279
alisonatwork wrote: post #273

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I have Canadian citizenship and lived in China when the two Michaels were locked up. In reality, even if the worst fears are true and every foreigner is explicitly tracked and constantly monitored by the local police department, it still wouldn't really be worth the government's effort to "disappear" the average foreigner, or even "invite them to tea". Most of us simply aren't that influential or important. Of course…

> I have Canadian citizenship and lived in China when the two Michaels were locked up. Who were only locked up after Canada locked up a Chinese citizen at the request of the US. Weirdly enough, that is framed in a completely different context than China's response to it.

A very prominent businessperson being held for allowing her company to commit fraud and violate US sanctions in a country that has an extradition treaty with the US is not the same thing as a country "suddenly" detaining two expats, in an immediate and obvious response to the previous lawful detention. The two Michaels weren't even charged with anything after they had been detained, imprisoned and interrogated for 5+ months! Meanwhile Meng Wanzhou was able to continue living a relatively comfortable life under home arrest. It's not fair to suggest that the average person - Chinese or not - will just randomly be arrested and imprisoned for months in Canada, with no charges filed whatsoever. The same thing happens frequently in China.

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Post by jdefr89 »

qybaz wrote: post #44
foverzar wrote: post #36

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I really love how we all have an impression of China as a country without access to global internet, but then there are things like "Most Chinese Steam users have historically been using the global service instead". Really makes you want to visit and see how this actually works for yourself. The more I read about China, the more unbelievably contradictive it gets.

You should be sceptical of all the news about China that come from the West.

Words can deceive but behaviors never lie. I am inclined to believe what the West has to say about China, because China behaves in a way that gives veracity to many of the claims made by others about China, and what they are/aren't doing. Once you start making judgements based on behavior rather than "he-said/she-said", you will find that you make far more accurate decisions about things in general.

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Post by arbuge »

alisonatwork wrote: post #151
RealityVoid wrote: post #118

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I am surprised at what you say regarding the hosting of foreigners. My girlfriend was there for a couple of months and she didn't notice any such thing, and she actually rented a place with a couple of friends, also foreigners. Is this what you describe because of racism or because of government?

Both. I have been refused access to a place because the landlord was openly racist and didn't want to rent to me after she found out I was a foreigner. There is pretty much no recourse for foreigners who are victims of racism in China, it's an extremely racist country. When you're a foreigner you just kinda have to accept that there are people who will cross the street or shield their kids when they see you, loudly c…

This is weird. Definitely not my experience at all. I visited Shanghai, Beijing, and Chengdu in China in 2012 and I felt extremely welcome wherever I went. I might also add that in Chengdu, a city which sees considerably less foreigners than the other two, I felt like I was being treated like somewhat of a celebrity, with people smiling at me everywhere, and random passer-bys on the street trying to impress me with their renditions of "Good Morning" or "How are you?". Once I had a visibly excited team of students randomly stop me on the street to do an interview with me for their class project, and on another occasion a large group of young people all wanted to take a picture with me one by one.

Needless to say, I loved it.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by octagons »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #272

It might not actually be banned; there are reports on Twitter and Reddit saying it's just a DNS cache poisoning attack similar to one a few years ago. No one's posting good verifiable info though so I don't really know. Steam definitely seems to be inaccessible in China right now, but why and whether it's intentional is not yet clear.

This correlates with some of the other reports I’ve read and I appreciate your skepticism. A “ban” is certainly not outside the realm of possibilities in China, especially given some of the new social policies, but we cannot afford to react like this whenever the word “China” makes its way into a headline if we want to draw attention to the real “bad” things.

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Post by whimsicalism »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #188
whimsicalism wrote: post #137

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The hell you talking about. I've been to roughly 40 states, and am "non-white" and have never had to do this shit at any hotel

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