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Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by akomtu »

aj3 wrote: post #229
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #220

One of the interesing things about this story is that there appears to be no consideration of not "updating" to a new Chrome version. The idea of user choice in "updating" is completely absent. Why cannot a user say, "V3 sounds wonderful but I will stick with V2, thank you." A user has a version of a program that works for that user (e.g., with uBlock Origin), and Google can apparently forcibly stop that user from us…

There were over a dozen of 0day exploits this year alone. Some used in water hole style attacks, so not even that targeted. And these are state of the art incidents which would have pwned even users with all the updates installed. After the patch has been pushed out, exploits become progressively cheaper so letting users to postpone security updates is a crime.

Ads, which is about running untrusted and usually hostile JS in your briwser, is the Pandora box of 0day exploits. Cut off ads, disable JS by default, and you'll solve 99% of 0days.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by GeoAtreides »

blondin wrote: post #181
anewguy9000 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because 75% of them are probably dead links now ;-) but all the major browsers have sync. you can export them from chrome and import them into brave and btw if you use a lot of bookmarks (i do too) you might love this graphical bookmark manager YASD - you can browse bookmarks as thumbnail images of the site -- much easier to browse them for the link you want): https://github.com/conceptualspace/yet-another-speed-dial

> because 75% of them are probably dead links now ;-) i know that pain far too well :) i created a custom chrome extension that opens a random bookmark in a new tab to check the link. this helps me fix dead links but it is a very slow process. sometimes i go over them manually and remove a bunch. thanks for the link.

export the bookmarks and use a script to quickly filter 404 responses and even maybe "this domain for sale" pages

the results can then be re-imported into the browser

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by chlorion »

SquareWheel wrote: post #163

For all the claims that the sky is falling, I'd like to know which functionality is still missing in declarativeNetRequest. Extended rule limits, dynamic rules, and header modification have been added. What else is required for a functional adblocker? This reddit thread barely seems to understand the issue, never mind the technical deficiencies of the API.

Yeah I am wondering the same thing. There have been several times in the past where it was said chromium would lose some of its adblocking abilities and so far that has not actually happened. This is one of those things that I will believe when it's actually in effect, but not sooner.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by aasasd »

bloopernova wrote: post #126

*Off-topic:* I've experimented with a new layout in Firefox, and now I can't think of going back. I first installed Tree Style Tab. I then removed the tabs at the top of the window and added a permanent status bar to the bottom of the window using userChrome.css: https://i.imgur.com/PIONywj.png (edited to add, my userChrome.css: https://gist.github.com/anthonyclarka2/155c038de96e91894cbd4... ) (EDIT: I added some ext…

My dream of tab management is if the browser would suspend long-unused tabs into a tree-style list—i.e. a bunch of bookmarks in the same arrangement in which I opened the tabs, without overhead of actual tabs. Then, live tabs could also be on the same list.

Right now, suspended tabs in FF still take memory and slow the browser down, and are cumbersome to search through.

Basically, I'll need to marry Tab Suspender with Tab Session Manager, then perhaps borrow the UI of Tree Style Tabs.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by detaro »

Karunamon wrote: post #240
detaro wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And as your own link states, the limitations this submission is about won't apply.

If it's so easy to just avoid this one awful API change, no need to ditch something like Brave or Vivaldi.

One can hope that they'll maintain it in their engine forks, yes. I've not seen a public commitment yet, but also not looked very hard.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by akomtu »

ur-whale wrote: post #166

I remember a time when Google used to crank out a seemingly endless stream of stuff that basically were tremendous improvements to the internet. Chrome itself was one of those amazing improvements. These days are long gone it seems. As a matter of fact, the exact opposite seems to be happening right now: every change coming out of a Google seems to improve their lot at the detriment of everyone else, especially their…

I've noticed that most companies follow this cycle: they grow reputation first, then they harvest the crops by monetizing that reputation. Someone unfamiliar with farming will be surprised why farmers spend a year to grow crops only to destroy them at the end.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by fsflover »

jacquesm wrote: post #236
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #220

One of the interesing things about this story is that there appears to be no consideration of not "updating" to a new Chrome version. The idea of user choice in "updating" is completely absent. Why cannot a user say, "V3 sounds wonderful but I will stick with V2, thank you." A user has a version of a program that works for that user (e.g., with uBlock Origin), and Google can apparently forcibly stop that user from us…

Companies rely on their fuckups to force you to update so you get the rest of the kool-aid right along with the stuff that is a must have. You can't say 'just give me that security stuff and hold the trash'.

On Debian, which I'm using, you can say that.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by betwixthewires »

Flankk wrote: post #2

Are people really that adamant about blocking ads on the web? I don't understand why people think it's a good idea to remove the primary source of revenue for content creators. At the most it amounts to a very mild annoyance and ads also help small businesses to grow. Edit: I'd appreciate it if someone could respond to the points I made rather than simply complain about why they don't like ads.

> I don't understand why people think it's a good idea to remove the primary source of revenue for content creators.

> I'd appreciate it if someone could respond to the points I made rather than simply complain about why they don't like ads.

I'd say explaining to you why they don't like ads should help you understand why they think it's a good idea to remove the primary source of revenue for content creators, if that primary source is ads.

Here's the worlds smallest fiddle.

If your primary source of revenue is automated advertising, I don't care if you lose money. Sorry not sorry. Get some sponsorships, exclusive content, whatever. But if you want to sell my information to companies to build a profile on me and then invade my life with all manner of annoying distractions using that data, you want me to feel bad when I put a stop to it because you didn't get your penny from me? Cry about it if you want.

Seriously, fuck ads. We have offered a truce to the ad companies before. Put a banner at the top. Slap a commercial in a video. But that's not good enough for them, they autoplay videos and popups and tracking pixels and 10 ads in a video. And then when we tell them where they can go stick it they act like we are stealing. So fuck them, they can go hungry, and if you intend to monetize me by funneling my attention to them, you can go hungry too.

Yes, people are that adamant about blocking ads. I block all ads. I don't need my mind polluted with noise and my life to be about stepping over dogshit every step I take and I don't need spyware running in my browser.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by luckman212 »

Fuck. I'm getting too old for this shit. The cat and mouse game of Google / AdTech vs the general public has gone off the deep end. Popups. Popovers. Popunders. Content shifting. Paywalls. GDPR Alert! Chatbots. Can I send you a Cookie? Ok. Can I help you find something? No. Wait! Don't close the page yet! Coupon code? No. Subscribe to our newsletter? No. Autoplaying video. How To Make A Million Bucks A Month Selling On Amazon! You Can Be A Handsome Guy On A Beach Making Money Just Like Me! For. Fucks. Sake.

I just want to use the web to access a few of my favorite news sites, use Github, access documentation, watch the (very) occasional YouTube vid, and send email. Am I a dying breed? A mere rounding error in the pie chart of web users? Maybe.

But I am truly at a loss for what to do next. Using the internet without uBO is like sticking needles into my eyeballs. "Switch to Firefox!" they said. I've tried, many times. But I really need some simple things that FF can't provide. Like being able to work with JXA to grab tab URLs for some Alfred scripts and other automations I rely heavily on. There's a 20-year old feature request for this[0].

Ok, Brave then? Probably the best option right now, but it keeps me up at night thinking one day Google will actively start going after the forks, making their lives difficult enough in one way or another to the point that they have to shut down.

Safari? I haven't checked in a while but there were some critical extensions that just didn't exist last time I checked- things like Rich URL[1] for copying tabs as markdown (so useful!). Dev tools were meh.

Just feels like there aren't any good options. Rock and hard place. Google, enough is enough—why are you doing this? (rhetorical. we know why)

[0]: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125419

[1]: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rich-url/bkjdcppkd...

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by akomtu »

Flankk wrote: post #2

Are people really that adamant about blocking ads on the web? I don't understand why people think it's a good idea to remove the primary source of revenue for content creators. At the most it amounts to a very mild annoyance and ads also help small businesses to grow. Edit: I'd appreciate it if someone could respond to the points I made rather than simply complain about why they don't like ads.

I'd put it this way. Ads networks position themselves as an efficient money delivery pipeline between you and content creators. In reality, they are like a delivery company that employs junkies and is run by heroin addicts. When they take your money, they promise to not steal. But junkies are junkies, they can't not steal, so on the way to those content creators, they steal most of your money.
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