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Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

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Post by sterlind »

ineedasername wrote: post #254
Consultant32452 wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine a scenario where the warrant is for searches that you would not believe a human would naturally make on their own. I think SCOTUS would allow that. Scenario: Hello fellow criminals. Instead of point to point communication, we will make random posts/pages that have our combination of words on them. So if you want to read our communication, do a google search for the exact quote "purple antelope shoe couc…

naturally make Though some of those bomb searches could easily be made by anyone curious about past bombing incidents. I've certainly had some curiousity-based searches about how the Unibomber did his work. How do we end up defining naturally ? That's a question the court would ask, and want to be able to provide a litmus test for going forward. I'm not sure how we do that here... Statistical probability at some spec…

I'm pretty sure I've searched those terms myself, looking up how high and low explosives are used as detonation lenses in atomic bombs.

I also looked up whether PLA can be made conductive and if it shows up normally in x-rays, to determine if I could legally 3D print the lower receiver for a handgun in my state.

...come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if I tripped some queries, and they just realized I'm an insatiably curious but harmless nerd and left me be.

Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

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Post by sterlind »

Talanes wrote: post #149
iammisc wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is next level rationalizing. For a president to say in no clear terms that he is going to make a rule he knows is illegal is something else. At least other administrations justify their attempts to break the law and mount some defense.

It's not an illegal rule until the Supreme Court actually makes a ruling. The Supreme Court does not determine Law merely by speaking.

notionally, the rule was (il)legal since its enactment. rulings merely affirm the legal status of rules, and give the Court the opportunity to order remedies.

for example, if the Court ruled that the Controlled Substances Act were unconstitutional, the government would be forced to free prisoners convicted of violating it, since the law was illegitimate the whole time. but if Congress repealed the act, they'd have no such obligation, since it was still a crime when the felony was committed.

Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

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Post by sterlind »

beermonster wrote: post #174
literallyaduck wrote: post #2

The only sensible solution is to name JS and CSS frameworks using the keyword list.

Reminds me when the trigger keywords for Echelon[1] leaked on the internet [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON [2] https://www.theregister.com/2001/05/31/what_are_those_words/

heh, Crypto AG is on that list. prescient. though so is "speedbump" and "meta" so meh. such a weird list, extremely specific keywords like listening post codenames but then extremely common ones too.

Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

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Post by csee »

NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #198
toolz wrote: post #94

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Spend even just a couple hours researching dark pools and naked shorts and it becomes blindingly obvious the SEC exists to do anything but protect consumers. The twitter outrage over elon's comments are nothing more than a woefully uninformed public hoping to remove the tip without addressing the iceburg underneath. If every one of your competition doesn't have to play by the rules, you'll find it hard to beat them p…

I know all about dark pools and naked shorts and I have no idea what you're talking about. Be specific. Give details.

The market design is unfavorable to retail investors and traders partly due the regulations and laws in the US.

- flow internalization which reduces liquidity on venues and widens spreads

- dark pools which is liquidity only available to institutions, therefore removing liquidity from venues that retail trades on

- market fragmentation which harms retail investors who don't have the execution sophistication of HFT or execution algos

- short sale restriction which harms retail traders who incur excess slippage

- allowing market makers to naked short sell but not retail investors which harms retail investors because they have to pay rents to access it

- trading halts which benefit institutions (over retail) who have the execution sophistication to handle unhalts and who can price warrants etc better while the product is halted

Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

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Post by jacquesm »

jonas21 wrote: post #200
RattleyCooper wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at it this way, if a car is involved in a drive-by shooting the police can't get a warrant to search every single home that has the same year/make/model of car registered to with that address. For a legal warrant you have to have probable cause that a specific person committed a crime. You can't just search everybody and see what sticks, that's blatantly unconstitutional.

On the other hand, if a specific type of nail is used as shrapnel in a homemade bomb, investigators can go around to all hardware stores in the area and get security camera footage of customers who recently bought large quantities of that type of nail. This isn't a hypothetical situation - according to the LA Times, it's how they ended up cracking the Austin bombing case that involved the Google warrant [1]: > Trying…

A while ago there was someone here on HN that thought that he could evade the authorities for a longer stretch of time if he decided to do so. This works right up to the point where there is a serious reason to find you and then you are as good as without a chance. For the same reason that computer security is hard: you need to make it work every time, and they only need the one break. It's just a matter of resources at that point.

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Post by toto444 »

Last time I was translating Final Fantasy 7 dialogues into easy Japanese using Google Translate. At some point it occured to me that using Google Translate to translate 'bombing mission' was very dumb. I made sure to add 'Final Fantasy 7' and 'Mako reactor' to my translations...
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