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Did you read the article? There's absolutely nothing low effort about it...
I read the entire article. By making a lot of relatively low effort I mean selling something for a lot that's not a expensive items or valueable experienced labor. And like I said, before I thought this was all low effort work, and through this article I got to see the high effort business side.
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I know a lot of guys who dont wake up every day and say they want to sell their bodys for hard labor to the highest bidder, but it's decent work. Similar to how women can contract incurable, potentially-lethal venereal diseases as prostitutes, jobs like construction can really mess up a man's body. Doesn't mean we should ban them.
Many jobs are somewhat like that, but it's a matter of degree. Compare the market price of the job to the price that would lead people to want to take the job. A lot of people would be willing to become a janitor at 3 times the market wages for janitors. A lot of people who are physically able to do construction work would take the job at 3 times the market rate for construction work. Not a lot of people would be wil…
Citation please. I find it very hard to believe that prostitution is immune to the same price based supply and demand forces that every other labor pool is.
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Legalizing for protection of those involved is one thing, but it is completely orthogonal to 'reducing the stigma'. Frankly this is where these movements lose people, including the abortion movement.
It's much harder to fight the stigma around anything that's illegal because it instantly gets equated with crime. It's hard to talk about an experience that will get you branded a criminal... Decriminalization of marijuana in many places is getting people talking about it more openly, for example. It's not everything but it's a start.
And because a large subset of the population (which tend to be over-represented on the white collar parts of the internet who generally have the luxury of always being able to afford cost of compliance in their day to day lives) happily lets the state dictate their morals by mentally bucketing illegal things as immoral by default.
Very interesting article. Do I understand correctly that sex work is still illegal in the US? If so, what's the rationale? Why can't consenting adults do what they want with their body?
Unfortunately, legal sex work is often exploited as a safe haven for human trafficking. High end escorting is actually likely to be at the lower end of risk, but is ultimately too tiny of a niche for policymakers to care about preserving.
Legalisation, thereby making the same worker protections available as to everybody else, is precisely how to screw them over.
The messaging saying otherwise is largely from conservative and/or radfem organisations who're trying to get people to conflate prostitution and trafficking because they want to wipe out all prostitution, not just the coerced stuff.
There's a strong parallel to the war on drugs here - criminalisation largely benefits the criminals.
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> Decriminalization of marijuana in many places is getting people talking about it more openly, for example. It's not everything but it's a start. sure... and that's the best argument to recriminalize. Having yet more drugs that disrupt mental faculties is not a good thing
Drug gangs destroying South America, tens of thousands dying due to Fentanyl-laced pills, lost tax revenue, huge taxpayer expense, petty crime used to fund overpriced drugs, are all signficiantly worse things than what you are afraid of. It's a laugh to see all these right-leaning people who pretend to be libertarians (not sure if that's you, but in general) but are actually in favor of a large state and authoritaria…
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Wow you should just plan to be robbed
It is probably a similar rate to what happens at a las vegas strip club. They get you drunk then ask for your credit card and put 5k on it.
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It is also dangerous for a man as well. Some report being robbed or have their picture take upon arrival and blackmailed. It would be beneficial to both sides if people didn’t have to hide what they do.
Out of my 415 clients from the survey, 6 reported being arrested, 7 physically assaulted, 26 got a STI, and 92 were stolen from.
> 92 were stolen from.
Wow, that's a 22% chance of being robbed.
If you're paying $1200 for "company", in cash, I reckon it would be unusual to also carry much more than a tip. My guess is the people who got robbed were at the low-cost end of the trade. Or maybe the men that got robbed were rapey anyway, and not a good bet for future business.
1,200 an hour! Jeez, that is insane! good for them. Once in a while, I come across something like this and wonder, what is it like to be that rich to casually drop 1,200 an hour , for anything, let alone on escorts.
It strikes me somewhat oddly that one might pay so much for something that literally half the people on this planet is equipped to provide You're paying for looks, ease, simplicity, no strings, and so on... I get it. But idunno, that is a lot of money for one nut. Also suprised the San Diego price is so high, when there is a red light district literally on the border in Tijuana, and those girls charge $60-$100/hr US…
People will pay for convenience.
Also, if you are the higher paid earner in stable relationship I invite you to tally up the monthly cost sometime.
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> 17% reported contracting a STD I wonder if any money is worth having an extreme risk of getting a deadly virus.
Without looking at the numbers at all I'm pretty sure that number can be ignored almost completely. It's all but guaranteed to be vastly underreported, but fortunately none of the common STDs are deadly. HIV and hepatitis are both rare in Western countries and syphilis can be cured with antibiotics.
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If a woman is poor, struggling to survive or trying to give a child a decent life in a society and economic system that is very sink or swim, do you consider it "consent" if she agrees to have sex with you so she can pay the rent, or have a decent meal, or buy the drugs she got hooked on dealing with depression and alienation, sold to her by a predatory drug dealer?
Short answer: yes. Longer answer: assuming there is no direct coercion, like a trafficker ring/pimp involved, I fail to see how this kind of struggle is any different than the single parent working night shifts at WalMart who still needs food stamps to feed the family. Or the low wage worker going to a factory each day ripping chickens apart so you can have your chicken breast and chicken nuggets. If your theoretical…
Or do you see them all as exploitation?
As manifestations of the inherent injustices of our socioeconomic system?
Or something else?
How do you feel about the description "consenting adults"?
What about a female employee who doesn't stop her boss's sexual advances because he controls her income and career? Is that a transaction between consenting adults?
(I never commented on legality of sex work. I was commenting only on "consenting adults" and... see my other replies.)