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Post by usui »

I really enjoy the way that they admitted their design mistakes of the past by having the speaker mention that users love tactile function keys and made it come back. They tried their best to say it was a mistake without explicitly stating it. It's almost like they did real design and usability studies, and then acted on it!

I find it so surprising that in this day, a big tech company is actually listening to its pro user segment (at least more than before).

Fingers crossed for lightning port switching to USB-C, Touch ID making a return to mobile devices (does not have to replace Face ID although I wouldn't care if it did), and the screen notch going away over time.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by kelnos »

actusual wrote: post #98
valine wrote: post #46

Epic update. Crazy fast chips, 120hz, mini LED, more ports, 64 gigs of ram. It's literally everything you could want in a new MacBook Pro.

Took away the ports just to bring 'em back and play the hero. Apple playing 5d chess.

> Apple playing 5d chess.

I think you're giving them too much credit. This is Apple's way of admitting they were wrong.

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Post by tpush »

paxys wrote: post #26
smoovb wrote: post #16

Kills the touch bar, the light touch keyboard, adds back weight, card reader, ports and the mag safe. Feels like an apology for prior design decisions. My 2011 MBP is new again!

I was laughing when every single one of these changes was presented as "revolutionary" in the keynote. No, you just had to revert everything because your previous revolution was universally hated by users.

> I was laughing when every single one of these changes was presented as "revolutionary" in the keynote.

Exactly none of these changes were presented as "revolutionary", that's just in your head.

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Post by chrisseaton »

buu700 wrote: post #202

I can live without HDMI, but it never made sense to me to put SD on the chopping block. In what sense was USB-C ever supposed to be an alternative to SD card slots? Edit: For clarity, read my reply to anamexis before responding to this.

> In what sense was USB-C ever supposed to be an alternative to SD card slots?

You use a USB-C dongle.

99% of people never use SD cards so don't care. The people who do care can use a dongle.

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Post by buu700 »

anamexis wrote: post #229
buu700 wrote: post #202

I can live without HDMI, but it never made sense to me to put SD on the chopping block. In what sense was USB-C ever supposed to be an alternative to SD card slots? Edit: For clarity, read my reply to anamexis before responding to this.

Opposite for me - I almost never used the SD slot, so a dongle was no problem for me, but I used HDMI all the time.

I'm not commenting on whether storage expansion or video output is more important. That obviously depends on the person.

I'm saying that while USB-C is an effective solution for video output, and therefore can conceivably overtake HDMI at some point in the future, it doesn't address the same use case as SD at all.

I can use an SD card slot for permanent expandable storage. I can stick a terabyte card in there and forget about it until I need to move it into a new device. USB-C doesn't help with that use case at all. It's actually worse than USB-A, because at least the latter has decent slim fit drives available that will stay in without sticking out too much.

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Post by PascLeRasc »

threatofrain wrote: post #152
bla3 wrote: post #63

For me personally, they hit it out of the park -- except for the notch, which seems like a complete showstopper to me at first sight. Maybe it's not so bad in practice if games and full-screen videos keep that whole strip solid black? But almost all the screenshots are of fullscreen apps, so it seems Apple thinks it looks a bit ungainly too.

I wonder how this will work with Apple Calendar or Safari in full screen (with the new iOS 15 compact tabs). I wonder if they are moving to a concept of full screen where the top bar is always visible.

It'd be interesting to see a design like Safari 14 with the address bar to the left of the notch and buttons on the right.

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Post by neogodless »

Factorium wrote: post #246

I wish we could get a Macbook Air in these screen sizes. I don't need the extra power, just the bigger screen.

You can order a Macbook Pro 14" with the M1 (not M1 Pro) for $2000.

EDIT: My mistake, it's an 8-core M1 Pro with 14-core GPU (so neither the 8-core M1 with 8-core GPU, nor the 10-core M1 Pro with 16-core GPU) at that price.

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Post by Joeri »

It’s weird how now the only touch bar mac is that weird m1 macbook pro which now nobody will be buying when the 14 inch is so much better for not much more money, and the macbook air is almost as good for a lot less money. They went from all pro macbooks sold having touch bars to effectively none of them.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by simonh »

apozem wrote: post #264
cletus wrote: post #201

And so ends the last of the Dark Days of Johnny Ive. Don't get me wrong: he innovated a lot. My theory is when Jobs died, he lost his counterbalance and his designs suddenly became without compromise (no that isn't a good thing). It's when we saw the 12" Macbook as the crusade for thinness at all costs (terrible performance, only one port, a terrible version of the macbook Air), the end of the Macbook Air (before get…

And the thing is, I don’t mind they put a weird, shallow keyboard and one USB C port on that 12” MacBook. They were trying to make the lightest laptop they could. Those compromises made sense. The same compromises made no sense on high-end pro machines.

The 12" wasn't for everyone, but I know 2 people who had one and they both thought they were just fantastic.
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