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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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'How to ruin the user experience' training in master level!

There is some marginally/sometimes/circumstantially useful fetur.... no, not feature... thing, that requires extensive attention to avoid permanent damage to your precious data and other properties. Gives some wee bit convenience but cause lots of inconvenience and the prospect of serious damage.

Way to go Dell! : /

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #75

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Hibernation in Windows hasn't gone anywhere. I have a Dell laptop in front of me and it has hibernate in the start menu as normal. Problem is that hibernation is slooow so people don't like to use it

> Problem is that hibernation is slooow It isn't. It can add just some seconds (probably less than 5 on fast SSDs, even less if you don't have too much RAM). If people can't wait this little they need to have their lives / jobs / mental health fixed rather than add more orders of complexity (with according increase in problems) into the computers.

Slower than an iPad, so more people will use a tablet to do their day to day activities rather than the laptop.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I have an XPS 9500 under Linux (this is a >$4000 machine), no amount of fiddling with BIOS settings (which are few) or systemd/GNOME settings will make it work reliably: - short suspend time (it can't really stay overnight when suspended with a full battery) - sometimes it wakes up and overheats in the bag - very short battery duration when unplugged Apparently I'm not alone, and even under Windows it's a generalized…

Have you tried setting mem_sleep to deep? This helped on my Thinkpad until I got a new enough kernel that allowed the system to fully enter C10 state. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/pm/sleep-... And if you want to dig into what happening in s2idle, https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2018/how-achieve-s0ix-states-li...

On the latest XPS that's not even an option: https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/Ubuntu-deep-sleep-missing...

(I've just seen the last posts on that thread and will give it a try)

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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The issue is that Windows doesn't go into S3 sleep when you close the lid; it goes into a weird not-really-asleep state for... some reason that I don't agree with[0]. I guess that state is "hot" enough that you could damage the laptop by putting it in a bag while in that state. Fortunately I've been running Linux on my XPS 13, which I have put into a bag hundreds of times (maybe even over a thousand) while suspended.…

In case anyone is curious I wrote up how I use suspend (amongst other things) with my XPS 13 running Debian: http://h2.jaguarpaw.co.uk/posts/how-i-use-debian-dell-xps-13...

Nice write-up, but I think the point is on the newer XPS' the S3 option is completely gone.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #67

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I just can't understand how people put up with not being able to control what they primary machines are doing. For that reason my primary work machine can currently only be Linux. I have Windows, but this one is only for stuff that is incompatible with Linux. I actually have Linux PC and a separate Linux laptop (Thinkpad T440s). That laptop runs super cool once I debugged all the sources of power usage. Which is quit…

neigh: what horsies say nigh: near, nearly

Thanks. I wasn't aware. English isn't my native language.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

#286

As an owner of XPS 15 9560, I can tell you that the XPS line is a gift that keeps giving. 6 generations of XPS laptops since 2021 and they barely fixed most of the overheating issues in that time period, while charging premium prices for each barely-functioning product along the way.

My first XPS had a fun little design quirk where the laptop display itself obstructed the (single and only) exhaust vent.

Out of the factory, the airflow was acceptable, but after a year of use and dust buildup, guess what... the laptop would overheat!

Double whammy -- the air that _could_ get through was so hot that it would also deform the part of the screen that obstructed the vent.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #52

XPS should be "developer laptops". They even come with Linux. So I tried two. Never experienced a more faulty keyboard on a computer in my life. Hanging keys, firmware updates that never really fixed the problem, support forums full of same questions. I'll never buy one again. Too bad as I wanted to support "big brand w/ Linux preinstalled".

Hanging keys... I had that issue when I bought my last XPS secondhand. A tech came out and replaced the keyboard, and that was that.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

#289

Windows wakes up the computer all the fucking time, and this is the reason why they don't take responsibility. Frankly it's not just dangerous, as noted in the faq, but very creepy as well: it feels like someone tampered with it, because it's not in the state you left it in. I wish they weren't so successful with all their bullshit.

It happened fairly regularly that in the middle of the night I'd hear the windows notification chime, because my wife's desktop decided to wake up and do things.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #112
post #64

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Seems to be mostly a Dell/Microsoft problem, haven't heard of other vendors removing S3 functionality (yet, anyway).

ASUS UM325

Weird, I got a newer Asus (Flow X13) and it does S3 just fine.
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