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Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#281

Everyone wants absolute free speech until their platform is taken over by conspiracy freaks, white supremacists, nazis, and anti vaxxers...

And then you find out, whether your moderation works. Point in case: On Freenet it does. But I had to close down my youtube comments on my channel completely when they discovered my youtube-Account. Because it’s the clearnet where moderation sucks. Its actually scaling, fully decentralized moderation system is how Freenet keeps communication friendly with actual pseudonymity and privacy protection: https://www.draket…

The two top comments are of people complaining about csam content floating around freenet

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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post #90

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That's interesting. Can you elaborate on what this "anti-obesity" forum was like? How was it different from a hate group?

Well, it was named "fatpeoplehate", which is a tiny little bit of a giveaway. Funny the original poster forgot to mention that detail, I wonder why.

Maybe they meant a different anti-obesity forum.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#283
post #11

The upshot of a project like Freenet is that no matter how noble the intentions, these days it's pretty much a CSAM distribution network and little else -- and if you publicly fess up to using it you'll be put on a list. This is why the future of the internet is censored, regulated platforms like FB, Twitter, and Reddit -- if you seek out uncensored platforms you are ipso facto up to no good because of the reputation…

Federated platforms are pretty good with getting rid of public objectionable material. I thought that ever since encryption became a thing, we had pretty much forfeit the possibility of preventing the sharing of CSAM? Hence why Facebook is where the overwhelming majority of CSAM is found on the internet.

Do Facebook and Freenet have the same number of users?

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#284

I've run Freenet twice in the last twenty years. Maybe 2006, 2012? Each time CSAM was surprisingly visible. Maybe these days it's kicked off to a corner but back then it was pretty much a click away. I'm going to have to say if that's the basic motivation for censorship resistant communication in the USA, I am disappointed and sad. Wonder if it's actually useful in places where you actually have censorship, or if it'…

> I'm going to have to say if that's the basic motivation for censorship resistant communication in the USA, I am disappointed and sad.

P2P was mostly about piracy. NNTP was used before that. BBS's were before that. And what comes next? IPFS?

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#285
post #280

I've run Freenet twice in the last twenty years. Maybe 2006, 2012? Each time CSAM was surprisingly visible. Maybe these days it's kicked off to a corner but back then it was pretty much a click away. I'm going to have to say if that's the basic motivation for censorship resistant communication in the USA, I am disappointed and sad. Wonder if it's actually useful in places where you actually have censorship, or if it'…

That was my experience too, the few times I tried it. I haven't been back for just that reason. There's nothing that I can do on there that I can't do on the real internet and even the tiniest risk of CSAM material reaching my machine is not worth it. It's sad but I think in most modern democracies that are relatively free, like the USA and EU, the primary use for these services is CSAM. There's no other reason to us…

Have you ever been threatened by a right-wing extremist that they would come to your house when you answered their hatred online and pointed out the flaws in their logic?

I have been.

That’s why I deeply appreciate having a pseudonym that’s separated from where I live so I don’t have to fear Neonazis turning up at my doorstep or attacking my kids when I write something they do not like.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#286

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And then you find out, whether your moderation works. Point in case: On Freenet it does. But I had to close down my youtube comments on my channel completely when they discovered my youtube-Account. Because it’s the clearnet where moderation sucks. Its actually scaling, fully decentralized moderation system is how Freenet keeps communication friendly with actual pseudonymity and privacy protection: https://www.draket…

The two top comments are of people complaining about csam content floating around freenet

As usual. And they wrongly claim that you find that by chance. Reality is: You don’t, except if you go searching for it. Just like in the clearnet.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#287

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Could you try whether installing Java manually and then following the Linux install works?

Sure! But what's the proper way to install Java manually on MacOS? (Sorry, it's 1:40am, otherwise I'd be a bit more "try to figure out how to do this" and less "please link me to something to run.")

I’d suggest to delay that to tomorrow :-)

An OSX package manager should work (I have no current OSX to test that, though).

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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post #185

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In around 1900 i think. It's simple for anyone to create an xor "key" for anything.

I phrased my comment poorly. Do we know of a case where cops or prosecutors have actually faked such a “key”? If so, it’s terrifying that you could have any encrypted data, with cops and their invented xor “keys” claiming your data is whatever they want it to be.

Or that you could have unencrypted data, that cops could xor into illegal data.

I bet you’re just using those unencrypted images to hide evil stuff with steganography! We found illegal content by xoring our totally not invented xor "keys" with the noise in your JPEGs!

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#289

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There is a merged pull request to migrate to libera.chat, it seems it just has not been deployed to the webserver yet: https://github.com/freenet/website/pull/98 I would blindguess that this was caused by Travis CI shutting down its free service for open source, the website was deployed using Travis IIRC.

This should be easy to set up with Github Actions, here is an example where it builds some Kotlin documentation and deploys to Github Pages: https://github.com/kwebio/kweb-core/blob/master/.github/work...

Yes. Nextgens has it planned and will be on it once he has the time.

If you want to file a pull request, that would be very welcome!

The new chat is https://web.libera.chat/?nick=FollowTheRabbit|?#freenet

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#290
post #9

I stay away from it because chunks of the data is hosted on your local machine, and it could potentially contain very unsavory data. Sure it's encrypted but try to explain that to your local law enforcement.

Freenet does not give you the decryption keys to the data you host, you don't know what you're hosting, hence you're not responsible for what it could be decrypted to. And even if law enforcement could successfully convince a court that you're doing something illegal by hosting data which you cannot look into: They couldn't first acquire the necessary search warrant because they couldn't prove that you are the one wh…

... hence you're not responsible.

IANAL but that seems quite the leap.

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