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Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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post #254

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it's not like the OG creators expected money from it. They did it as a part time hobby to show friends. They didn't expect to transform their lives. I get just as much enjoyment watching creators who only spend a few hours per week on their content as a hobby as those who have turned it into a giant company with employees and a studio. Actually, I get less enjoyment from those who have overly commercialized their cha…

Some of the best content on Youtube takes time and money to make - even for hobbyists and enthusiasts, and much of it would be impossible if creators were also forced to hold a second full-time job to cover their budget. I say "second" because content creation is a job whether it's compensated for or not. And not everyone who makes a living at it has a giant company with employees at a studio.

Yes it's true that not everybody who makes a living from it has multiple employees and a studio, PewDiePie is a good example of somebody who didn't ruin his channel by transforming the nature of it once he got more views.

Sure, content creation is a job whether they're compensated or not. I'm not saying that we deserve free content, I'm saying that there will always be people bored enough to create content they want to share.

Image macros are created daily but nobody is creating them with the expectation of compensation. (There are social media accounts who compile them so they can gain followers / post ads, but the original creators aren't)

People write blogs knowing they get 20 views per month. That's the voices I want to hear. Not from someone who reads a book about how to get $5k in passive income per month by churning blog posts and growing a mailing list!

The number #1 post on the front page about blogs has this comment

"As a minor counterpoint: I've come to dread blogs and newsletters because so many of them are written by grind culture freaks who only write faux-insightful SEO'd content as a way to build an audience to sell snake oil to."

Just replace blogs and newsletter with YouTube channels and that's my sentiment.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Why don't we just use BitTorrent for videos? Popcorn time works reasonably well and we don't need a social layer, there are already plenty of them. I d like to see everything that i like being seeded with care by its owners

The main reason is because Bittorrent doesn't have a "social networking" layer like ActivityPub fediverse has, for user/channel following, comments, etc... We could (should?) build a Popcorn Time "social" UI using RSS feeds and some semantic metadata to discover content, but that just isn't there yet. You suggest we don't need it, but what do you use for that purpose? Peertube reuses an established social networking…

> but what do you use for that purpose?

twitter . or fb or mastodon or whatever. social and video are orthogonal problems to solve (utube didnt start as a social network)

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Last time I checked the way that webtorrent/peertube queries for peers watching same video is centralised over websockets to a a select few webtorrent trackers, I think theirs only 2 or 3 running, meaning if you wanted to take down peertubes p2p functionality all you would have to hit would be their webtorrent trackers with a ddos and the platform would go down, I'm not 100% about sibil protections but I do know that…

> over websockets to a a select few webtorrent trackers, I think theirs only 2 or 3 running Maybe you're talking about STUN servers? There's only 2 hardcoded STUN servers for the moment [0] indeed, but that's only for WebRTC discovery and will be easy to fix. It does not prevent server-side redundancy because every peertube instance runs its own tracker, from my understanding on the protocol (let me know if i've got…

I'm reasonably confident that the protocol I was working with was json over websocket https://openwebtorrent.com/ tracker this was a few months ago now so peertube could be running something different So each peertube instance runs its own openwebtorrent compatible tracker, which then has its own protocol inforced at the wire level, compared to when i looked at the other openwebtorrent implementations depending on the server didn't enforce the wire format and you could send json over the wire, the trackers seemed to just be a sort of pubsub system where announces would get resent to other connected clients under the same infohash or whatever they used

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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post #149

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because people want to download illegal movies and porn, or host linux isos as a service for the commons. There's practically no commercial activity around torrents because it's an incredibly inefficient way to serve large amounts of data.

You may not be aware of this, but like everything on PeerTube, the video we are commenting on here is in fact served up via BitTorrent. I got about a third of it from the diode.zone seed, which, if I understand correctly, is paid for out of Micah Scott's Patreon. The inefficiency of torrents on near-symmetric internet connections is pretty minor. If a 1GiB movie is on Netflix, each user has to download 1GiB of data o…

So... if I watch a copywritten video on peertube, the MPAA might sue me for being a peer and distributing it?

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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post #273

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Wikipedia is not distributed, anonymous, or censor-proof.

Wikipedia is widely mirrored, pseudonymous for writers, anonymous for readers (unlike YouTube!), possessed of internal policies against most kinds of censorship, and quite practically inconvenient to censor externally. Certainly you could do better on these axes, but Wikipedia is already getting an enormous amount of vital information to people despite other people wanting to suppress that information.

The censorship on Wikipedia is internal. Biased articles locked from public editing, delete hungry maintainers that gatekeep content away from the site. Sure some countries can block it, but the subtle internal censorship is far more damaging because it's easy for people to overlook/write off

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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There is a reason why these Youtube channels don't just roll their own platform: their content is not worth money. Same reason why no one pays for your blog. It is just not worth any amount of money. There are many Youtubers whose content I like, but if I had to pay monthly fee (or pay per view) for their videos I wouldn't watch them. I think this was pretty much confirmed with the Youtube Red experiment. Many of the…

I feel like you completely validate my point that people aren't willing to pay for content, the original sin making alternative monetization a requirement. You're willing to watch the content, just not pay for it. This is why concepts like PeerTube will never attract the majority of content, because it isn't free to make it, it isn't free to show it, it's only free to consume it.

If you want to look it like that wouldn't the "original sin" be making poor quality stuff and expecting someone to pay for it?

Yeah, I can watch someone pour molten metal on safety glass, that seems interesting, but I wouldn't pay for it. It isn't that interesting.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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I like these types of video websites, but a huge reason they will never beat YouTube is the age. YouTube has a huge abundance of content that spans pretty far back. When you have that much content its kinda hard to beat.

How much of the content you enjoyed on Youtube ten years ago is still there? I've witnessed a lot of videos taken down... I'd much rather trust a non-profit host with my content than Youtube.

While yes there are a lot of videos that are taken down, you can still find tons of videos from like 8-10 years ago easily. I noticed though that a lot of the older videos usually get taken down for copyright music, like old amvs, song re-uploads, etc. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say, "Oh Google and YouTube are so great". I am only pointing out why many people including me will not fully switch over to other video platforms. Most other video platforms lack any content, and finding what you want is incredibly difficult. Where as YouTube you can find a plethora of things. Do I trust YouTube with my content? Yes, I don't really watch too many things which YouTube would want to censor like news or anything like that, and I usually watch stuff from certain channels (not recommended videos). Seriously, I dislike YouTube as much as the next person, but I am not going to switch over to an inferior platform (inferior in terms of content). Those people that are focused on open source, nonprofit, and privacy when it comes to platforms should continue to support and use this stuff, but understand most regular people don't care. Not saying it is not a problem, I just simply don't feel the need to fight YouTube that much and try to be a digital warrior about it.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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The primary motivation of most creators is to make money. What is PeerTube paying per view? 0$? Why would any creator spend all that time and money making content to give away for free? Do you give away your daily work for free? They can easily use something like Patreon or one of the many pay-only tube sites if they're giving up on ads and asking for donations/subscriptions/etc. I mean, I'm not against the idea, it…

Good point.

Well, creators can still point to their Patreon (or Liberapay) without problems. I see many creators relying more on Sponsorships and other income streams as significant (apparently YT doesn't pay that much unless you're incredibly popular).

Dave from EEVBlog is extremely transparent on YT income, worth checking out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU3FAIaAF0I

It seems LBRY gets around this with micropayments. Could be an interesting avenue for PeerTube. Maybe you could "charge micropayment credits" and those would be redistributed to creators according to your likes/dislikes/subscriptions.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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PeerTube, you need to remove view counts. They broadcast to new users how few people are at this party and how lame it is, let’s go back to that YouTube party.

> how lame it is How so? Just because something is not popular (yet?) doesn't mean it's lame. Also, view counts on a single instance are not representative of the entire federation. Although i agree removing view counts would be good, because it produces bad incentives to artificially inflate your view count (which i've never witnessed on Peertube instances so far, but is possible).

It’s not that I think it really is lame, just demonstrating the thought process of your average user clicking on a PeerTube link.
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