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It sounds like you're missing the point of this entire thread's argument. Does the team cost about 2^-500 of your resources and attention? Then, YES, do it. That's my point. I'm not saying that this is what you SHOULD do all of the time, I'm saying that it is entirely plausible, even likely, that Facebook might deliberately "go after" Mastodon because it very very easily can.
There is a cost, clearly. Also what is benefit? Now the projects creator can't talk about it to his friends and family it's doomed to fail. lol.
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#282Interesting how "because COVID" has become the thinly veiled excuse here. A similar manifestation of the "think of the children" trope that can be used to manipulate emotions and shut down dissent.
We have vaccines for those that want them.
We have drugs that treat it very well.
There’s no reason to censor information or shut things down over it.
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Not quite: if you have no data, you get new hires and news systems to collect and track it. You may be ignorant, but you know it, and can deal with it. Let's call is starting from 0. When you have bad data, you frequently don't know that you have bad data until things go very very wrong. You aren't starting from 0. 0 would be an improvement.
This seems like extending the "known knowns" concept to an additional dimension, involving truth. In the known-knowns model, you have knowledge and metaknowledge (what you know, what you know you know): K U -- What you know K KK KU U UK UU \ What you know you know If we add truth to that, you end up with a four-dimensional array with dimensions of knowledge, knowledge of knowledge, truth-value, and knowledge-of-truth…
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#284Here's an idea. If everybody who dislikes Facebook removed their profile picture, then it would quickly become a dull place and people would flee the platform. Alternatively, instead of removing one's profile picture, one could replace it by the Mastodon logo to make a statement.
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This seems like extending the "known knowns" concept to an additional dimension, involving truth. In the known-knowns model, you have knowledge and metaknowledge (what you know, what you know you know): K U -- What you know K KK KU U UK UU \ What you know you know If we add truth to that, you end up with a four-dimensional array with dimensions of knowledge, knowledge of knowledge, truth-value, and knowledge-of-truth…
Reminds me of epistemology, where this is a distinction between certainty and truth.
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Let's note that this thread's been shifting back and forth between information which is publicised over media and data , with the discussion focusing on use in research . These aren't entirely dissimilar, but they have both similarities and differences. Data in research is used to confirm or deny models , that is, understandings of the world. Data in operations is used to determine and shape actions (including possib…
An excellent distinction. In the world of data with research & operations, I only very rarely deal with data that is intentionally biased. Counted on the fingers of my hand. Cherry picked is more common, but intentionally wrong to present things in a different light, that's rare. Well, it's rare that I know of. The nature of things is that I might never know. But most people that don't work with data as a profession…
I've worked with scientific, engineering, survey, business, medical, financial, government, internet ("web traffic" and equivalents), and behavioural data (e.g., measured experiences / behavour, not self-reported). Each has ... its interesting quirks.
Self-reported survey data is notoriously bad, and there's a huge set of tricks and assumptions that are used to scrub that. Those insisting on "uncensored" data would likely scream.
(TL;DR: multiple views on the same underlying phenomenon help a lot --- not necessarily from the same source. Some will lie, but they'll tend to lie differently and in somewhat predictable ways.)
Engineering and science data tend to suffer from pre-measurement assumptions (e.g., what you instrumented for vs. what you got. "Not great. Not terrible" from the series Chernobyl is a brilliant example of this (the instruments simply couldn't read the actual amount of radiation).
In online data, distinguishing "authentic" from all other traffic (users vs. bots) is the challenge. And that involves numerous dark arts.
Financial data tends to have strong incentives to provide something, but also a strong incentive to game the system.
I've seen field data where the interests of the field reporters outweighed the subsequent interest of analysts, resulting in wonderfully-specified databases with very little useful data.
Experiential data are great, but you're limited, again, to what you can quantify and measure (as well has having major privacy and surveillance concerns, often other ethical considerations).
Government data are often quite excellent, at least within competent organisations. For some flavour of just how widely standards can vary, though, look at reports of Covid cases, hospitalisations, recoveries, and deaths from different jurisdictions. Some measures (especially excess deaths) are far more robust, though they also lag considerably from direct experience. (Cost, lag, number of datapoints, sampling concerns, etc., all become considerations.)
It's complicated.
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#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's note that this thread's been shifting back and forth between information which is publicised over media and data , with the discussion focusing on use in research . These aren't entirely dissimilar, but they have both similarities and differences. Data in research is used to confirm or deny models , that is, understandings of the world. Data in operations is used to determine and shape actions (including possib…
An excellent distinction. In the world of data with research & operations, I only very rarely deal with data that is intentionally biased. Counted on the fingers of my hand. Cherry picked is more common, but intentionally wrong to present things in a different light, that's rare. Well, it's rare that I know of. The nature of things is that I might never know. But most people that don't work with data as a profession…
I show some aggregated moderation history on reveddit.com e.g. r/worldnews [2]. Since moderators can remove things without users knowing [3], there is little oversight and bias naturally grows. I think there is less bias when users can more easily review the moderation. And, there is research that suggests if moderators provide removal explanations, it reduces the likelihood of that user having a post removed in the future [4]. Such research may have encouraged reddit to display post removal details [5] with some exceptions [6]. As far as I know, such research has not yet been published on comment removals.
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/pushshift/
[2] https://www.reveddit.com/v/worldnews/history/
[3] https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq/#need
[4] https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/duwdco/should_mode...
[5] https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/e66fql/post_remo...
[6] https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq/#reddit-does-not-say-post...
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There may be more reasons to see Mastodon as a potential threat. There's something of a different paradigm to it. First of all it is decentralized (federated), and anyone can spin up servers for themself or a community of users, set their own topic and rules (CoC, ToS) and connect with the larger social network (the Fediverse). Second of all this fediverse is based on open-standards and anyone can develop their own s…
uuhm going back to a time before the algos took over my timeline would be awesome.
On the contrary, Newscorp for example is great to get dynamic patterns of headlines you don't want to read.
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There is a cost, clearly. Also what is benefit? Now the projects creator can't talk about it to his friends and family it's doomed to fail. lol.
Loving, LOVING this fantasy world you're living in, in which a primary driver of a person's behavior at a big company is the esteem of friends and family, and, you know, not because the boss said so and/or ruthless thirst for profit and domination.
I was saying what is the impact (damages) if this guy can't post about his software on facebook to his friends and family. Do you even think this would be in the top 100 ways to crush the competition???