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Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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Post by RobAtticus »

adventured wrote: post #206
908B64B197 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all real. Violent crimes had a multi-decade drop. SF is a very localized anomaly in regards to property crimes.

Definitely not localized. Los Angeles and New York to name two other prominent cities, are drowning in an epic ongoing crime wave. SF, LA, NYC all have the same malfunction in terms of city governance. LA - LA Mag, July 2021: "‘It’s a Puzzle’: Experts Are Trying to Figure Out What’s Causing L.A.’s Crime Wave" A puzzle. Experts. Ha ha ha ha. Ha. Bullshit. https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/crime-in-los-angeles/ NYC -…

Is there a reason May 2021 should be particularly instructive vs year-to-date (YTD) for NYC? [1] has murders down 1.3% (299 vs 303) and burglaries down 24% YTD. Felony assault is up 5%, but overall crime is down 0.9%. It's definitely a stretch to say NYC is "drowning in an epic ongoing crime wave", given those numbers.

[1] https://compstat.nypdonline.org/2e5c3f4b-85c1-4635-83c6-22b2...

Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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Post by tylerhou »

marcusverus wrote: post #238
SavantIdiot wrote: post #227

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> choice not to prosecute theft Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. "The judicial branch of California explains on its page about Prop 47 that the new law “reclassifies certain theft and drug possession offenses from felonies to misdemeanors.” Thanks to Prop 47, shoplifting offenses involving property valued at less than $950 are prosecuted as misdemeanors, not felonies, but they are still prosecuted. Such offenses are punisha…

That's a nice unattributed quote you've got there. Now for some actual data that say the exact opposite: "The numbers show the prosecution rate for shoplifting cases involving a misdemeanor petty theft charge for a loss of $950 or less fell under [San Francisco DA Chesa] Boudin, from 70 percent under former District Attorney George Gascon in 2019 to 44 percent in 2020 and 50 percent as of mid-June 2021. Prosecutors f…

Using data from two years without accounting for any confounders (a pandemic??) has approximately zero statistical rigor. Have you:

1. Considered the prosecution rate in other cities?

2. Controlled for other independent variables that might affect the prosecution rate?

3. Performed a statistical test to determine whether the decrease in prosecution rate is within normal historical variance?

If the answer to any of those questions are no (which, from the article, they all are no) your claim is not intellectually honest.

> "In an interview with The Examiner, Boudin said the decline in prosecution rates for shoplifting cases is a reflection of the “difficult choices” his office had to make during the pandemic, when the Hall of Justice closed most of its courtrooms and city officials decided to largely empty the jails, in part to prevent an outbreak."

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Post by oh_sigh »

spfzero wrote: post #257
sabarn01 wrote: post #143

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murders are hard to fake. The rest of crime data is more subjective than people realize. I was robbed at gunpoint for 1$. I did not report the crime.

You should have reported the crime, because by not reporting it, you feed the people that are enabling it. You allow them to promote the idea that their policies are actually working. Then, you're more likely to have it happen to you again.

Ever try to report a crime that the police officer doesn't want to write a report for? They will do everything in their power to not write that report, including accusing you of crimes, or gaslighting you.

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Post by tintor »

legitster wrote: post #114
rot13xor wrote: post #112

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Eventually all stores are going to require a membership or deposit before letting you enter, like Costco.

I mean, you can just run into a Costco, grab something, and run out. No one can stop you. In Costco's favor, they don't have a lot of valuable things that you can just walk with that aren't just a cardboard voucher.

Costco sells jewelry and laptops.

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Post by josephcsible »

tintor wrote: post #285
legitster wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, you can just run into a Costco, grab something, and run out. No one can stop you. In Costco's favor, they don't have a lot of valuable things that you can just walk with that aren't just a cardboard voucher.

Costco sells jewelry and laptops.

Yes, but are they where people can just pick them up, or are they in locked cabinets?

Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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Post by mukundesh »

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/21/us/san-francisco-shoplift...

"The retail executives and police officers emphasized the role of organized crime in the thefts. And they told the supervisors that Proposition 47, the 2014 ballot measure that reclassified nonviolent thefts as misdemeanors if the stolen goods are worth less than $950, had emboldened thieves."

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Post by acchow »

floren wrote: post #30
bko wrote: post #3

> The target was no ordinary shoplifter. He was part of a network of organized professionals, known as boosters, whom CVS had been monitoring for weeks. The company believed the group responsible for stealing almost $50 million in products over five years from dozens of stores in Northern California. The story isn't about people selling stolen goods on Amazon. It's about organized theft operations. One way to stop th…

The SF city government seems to have realized that there's another way to make crime "go down": refuse to prosecute for anything, ideally make it pointless for the cops to even show up, until people stop bothering to report crime. Wow, shoplifting is at record lows!

If we stop labeling lots of things crimes, then of course crime rates go way down.

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Post by cirgue »

skybrian wrote: post #231
neither_color wrote: post #78

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We're approaching a strange post-empirical world where the right chart or graph can be used to justify any public policy, and often changing how the data for the chart is collected, analyzed and presented is easier than solving the issue. The collective anecdotes of thousands/millions of people can be dismissed because the chart says otherwise. Disagree that crime in your neighborhood has dropped? Just because your c…

That’s how it works online. You may be trusted by people you know in person, but here you’re just another random stranger, and we don’t know where you live anyway. Don’t take it personally. Creating trusted data is a social process that many forums aren’t designed to facilitate.

From 1993: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_know...

Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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Post by logicchains »

j_walter wrote: post #141
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #127

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In your opinion, did the multi-decade drop in American crime, regularly discussed by academics who have some tentative theories to explain it, happen or was it all faked? https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/amer...

That was real and everyone can agree on that based on what they see as well as the data. However you can't go to a single SF neighborhood and find people that think crime has dropped recently. There are boatloads of articles about people having their cars broken into so often they leave them unlocked because replacing windows was so expensive. Videos of people shoplifting while security stands by and does nothing bec…

>let off by a rouge DA

By rouge do you mean red, as in left-leaning? Or rogue?

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