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Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by justapassenger »

swiley wrote: post #267
jfoster wrote: post #258

They should unbundle. At the moment, doing business on the app stores entails so many things, but they can break them apart and allow developers to purchase them individually: 1. Put your app on the store. (but only reachable via direct link) 2. Have Gapple verify that your app does not represent any obvious security threat. (or else warn users upon install) 3. Make your app appear in search. (organically) 4. Make yo…

How about getting rid of App Stores altogether unless they follow an f-droid like model? (Selection of alternative repos, Published source, declaring potentially unwanted behavior etc.)

You want to explain to your grandma how to get the right repo so she can get WhatsApp?

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by beambot »

ethbr0 wrote: post #46
laurent92 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What regulators should mostly do is provide rulings in 2 weeks. Monopoly lawsuits have been threatening for 5 years and are still in limbo, our entire West is in threadlock: Slow justice, slow regulators, slow administrations, fast market grabs…

Slow justice and slow regulation are a feature, not a bug. Premature either is more dangerous than delayed action. In hindsight, the correct time for regulation was probably 2008 for Google (DoubleClick purchase and Android shipping with "Android Market") and Apple (App Store). It should have been a clear line from hardware control -> distribution control. And if regulators hadn't seen it, then Congress should have d…

Android was effectively launched in 2008, per Wikipedia: "It was unveiled in November 2007, with the first commercial Android device, the HTC Dream, being launched in September 2008."

In this case, I'm not sure how to square new innovation (smart phones first launching in 2008) with slow regulation.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by perryizgr8 »

weddpros wrote: post #48
perryizgr8 wrote: post #34

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No it is not the same issue. Airbnb doesn't have a say if I make arrangements of my own with the host. We lose the benefits and security provided by airbnb if we think that airbnb's cut is unjustified. I only wish we (users and devs) could do that on Ios.

I'm pretty sure the "arrangements" you're talking about are against their TOS, except if they happen after your stay booked on AirBnB...

That's ok. Airbnb is free not to do business with me. But I am free to do whatever I want with my property as owner. That is not the case when dealing with Apple. They block usage of my own hardware.

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Post by jjcon »

dontblink wrote: post #266

Would allowing for more App Stores fix this problem? It would allow developers to simply withhold their apps from, say, Apple's in favor of a one that has lower fees.

I tend to agree, my current thinking is let gapple run the store however they want but make them allow for other app stores (that have first party access). Additionally prevent them from anticompetitive practices to disrupt the formation of other app ecosystems.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by eigen »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #268
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #197

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I very much agree that this app stores market abuse thing needs to end, and I am also really glad to see that at least one country is responding like this. > a reasonable (single percentage) fee for facilitating payments. I want to point out, though, that the service Apple provides is not merely payment processing. They offer total customer management. Which, when integrated with their entire developer offering (Test…

Stripe Billing[1] only charges 0.5% for this. Apple's offerings may have been good when the alternative was software sold on physical CD's in a store, but compared to the alternatives today there is no way 30% is by any means fair or reasonable. The 30% commission is essentially monopoly rents. 1. https://stripe.com/billing

Looks like its a bit more complicated than that according to the webpage.

Stripe Payments [1]: 2.9% + $0.30

Stripe Billing [2]: 0.5%

Stripe Invoicing [3]: 0.4%

[1] https://stripe.com/pricing

[2] https://stripe.com/billing/pricing

[3] https://stripe.com/invoicing/pricing

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by ubermonkey »

sumedh wrote: post #148
ubermonkey wrote: post #105

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Nobody is forcing you to sell to iOS, though.

That argument does not work when there are only two service providers in town, Apple and Google.

It works precisely because there is an alternative with less onerous rules. It works even better because the alternative provider is BY FAR the larger player.

Apple is a minority player in mobile.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by noptd »

justapassenger wrote: post #281
swiley wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about getting rid of App Stores altogether unless they follow an f-droid like model? (Selection of alternative repos, Published source, declaring potentially unwanted behavior etc.)

You want to explain to your grandma how to get the right repo so she can get WhatsApp?

Having to forward a link to family members every so often seems well worth it to me.
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