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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by manigandham » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

pohl wrote: post #263

beaner wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For it to be the schtick that'd have to be sort of the pont of the show, but it's only a topic of discussion so long as it's made relevant by those in our society, and even then that ignores the large diversity of guests and topics in his show. There's nothing wrong with listening to two regular people have a conversation regardless of their qualifications for the topics they're discussing. They don't pretend to be p…

Joe is "regular people"? He's a sitcom actor. He makes a couple hundred million a year on podcast ad revenue alone. He only presents himself as a "regular" person because that's the demographic he's targeting.

He does not make "hundreds of millions a year" on podcast ad revenue, that's a ridiculously high number. The entire podcast ad market is barely $1B total.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by secondcoming » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

suzzer99 wrote: post #219

arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

This. I just wish he'd take his enormous reach a little more seriously when he entertains quack pseudoscience as if it's an equally valid POV to real peer-reviewed science.

That's what Joe Rogan's show is all about. It's pretty much him talking about the same nonsense that anyone else would talk about when hanging out with their friends. He never pretended to be anything else, and it's why his show is so popular. That said, since he moved to Spotify I've hardly seen anything other than the occasional clip on AdTube.

If you want high-brow stuff there's Lex Fridman's channel.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

jdprgm wrote: post #175

It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by TigeriusKirk » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

ost-ing wrote: post #229

crazygringo wrote: post #190

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Of course that's anti-vax. The main purpose of getting the vaccine isn't just to protect yourself -- it's to reduce the chances of you transmitting it to others . It's about herd immunity, not personal immunity. Whether you're young and healthy is irrelevant.

Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines[1], which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society whether you decide to get vaccinated or not. You can make the argument that getting vaccinated reduces the risk of you being hospitalized, which keeps a bed and a nurse available for someone else. Thats a much more valid argument to make. [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-0…

>Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines, which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society

This is my understanding as well, which was why I decided to get vaccinated. If avoiding infection is impossible in the long run, I should help my immune system prepare for it.

I wonder how differently things would be going if the campaign was "Covid is here to stay. You will get it. Get vaccinated."

Maybe it would help, maybe not.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by Bud » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

pohl wrote: post #263

beaner wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For it to be the schtick that'd have to be sort of the pont of the show, but it's only a topic of discussion so long as it's made relevant by those in our society, and even then that ignores the large diversity of guests and topics in his show. There's nothing wrong with listening to two regular people have a conversation regardless of their qualifications for the topics they're discussing. They don't pretend to be p…

Joe is "regular people"? He's a sitcom actor. He makes a couple hundred million a year on podcast ad revenue alone. He only presents himself as a "regular" person because that's the demographic he's targeting.

FYI, no, he makes about an order of magnitude less than that, total, from all sources.

He made $30M last year.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by lamontcg » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

kadoban wrote: post #214

timr wrote: post #146

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> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on…

When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative. The whole "both sides" thing is the _worst_ of cable news and why I signed off years ago. Does the Sun orbit the Earth? Let's get a crazy person on and see. It's okay because we'll give an expert a few minutes too.

Yeah, he was always that way and he was always a gateway drug to the alt-right.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by ub99 » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

Covzire wrote: post #199

jdprgm wrote: post #175

It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

The ads on Spotify for paying US users is what keeps me off of it for the most part. You can fast forward but it's a gigantic pain in the ass. Their UX is awful too compared to a simple web app, they should just clone a basic Youtube/Odysee/Rumble functionality for their video side.

I am surprised you are getting downvoted. Very long ad breaks on paid accounts are unacceptable and the reason I refuse to listen to this podcast.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by VelkaMorava » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

During that episode I have came to conclusion that Bill Burr is who Joe Rogan sees as himself. Eloquent, humorous, says-he's-stupid-but-he-is-actually-smart, able to step back and look at all the stupid stuff everyone does (including himself).

Except Rogan is actually this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8xofvi/joe_rogan_...

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by pjc50 » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

paulpauper wrote: post #262

arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

the health experts a year ago said vaccines would make this go away, and before that they predicted that masks and social distancing would flatten the curve. With the exception of a few countries, none of that happened. At this ponit, I don't think anyone knows anything. due to rampant downvoting, I will respond to individual replies here: "This worked perfectly basically anywhere people actually complied. " Italy ha…

Largely it did happen, we just don't see the counterfactual. It could have been a lot worse.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by depaya » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

timr wrote: post #203

valine wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving a platform to crackpots isn't always dangerous, but in the case of vaccines it's a public health concern. It's definitely not a good idea to give legitimacy to antivaxers during a pandemic when people dying. Save that conversation for another time.

I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.

This has nothing to do with censorship. This person is saying it is irresponsible for Rogan to entertain and provide a platform for these things.