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Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by limeblack » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:29 PM UTC

robertlf wrote: post #127

As long as we're having a big bitch-fest here, I'll throw in my $.02. Other than expanding batteries, my laptops have generally been trouble-free. But the problem I do have is that the older my MBP, the slower it becomes when I upgrade the OS. When I upgraded my 2015 to Big Sur last year, it essentially became unusable because it ran so slowly. It now sits in my closet. Apple should stop nagging you to upgrade the OS…

If you have an Apple store near by they'll set it up for dual boot. If you don't mind do it yourself partition and install the installer to thumb drive.

I don't condone piracy but you can download the old installers(get creative) md5 checksum it and simply reinstall the old OS. I am still running a 2012 macbook pro for video editing with final cut pro.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by zz865 » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:31 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #101

pier25 wrote: post #52

It's absolutely ridiculous that Macs don't come with a 3 year warranty by default. I've bought maybe a dozen macs in the last 15 years (for myself and the family) and while some have lasted many years without issues, some have died on me on the second or third year. Because the initial investment is so high you're practically forced to add extra Apple Care to protect it because there's a 20-30% chance you will have p…

> It's absolutely ridiculous that Macs don't come with a 3 year warranty by default. Government should mandate that, as in does in other countries. But many american consumers don't believe in government rules about consumer protection, lest some of this "innovation" we've witnessed is discouraged...

Which is a good reason why everything in US is cheaper. Sure, you get more service and better guarantee is you pay for it, there is no reason to force it.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by nescioquid » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:32 PM UTC

Bud wrote: post #220

gambiting wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I refuse to accept that as an answer as to why the battery is glued in. It's just laziness by apple, there's is literally zero reason to use glue to hold the battery, and it means that if you want to ever replace it yourself you end up looking at a 50-steps long guide on ifixit where one of them is pouring solvent behind the battery - it's insane. Just have a system of tabs holding the battery packs in place, glue is…

No, it's not laziness. Nothing about the internal design of the Mac is due to "laziness". Apple has clearly decided that the battery is better held in place by adhesive than by a "system of tabs". This could easily be for durability or safety reasons. It's a big, big problem if a battery gets damaged. If your argument is that the replacement process has too many steps, this argument fails: you'd save at most one step…

> Apple has clearly decided that the battery is better held in place by adhesive ...

They decided to glue the battery down. You may assume that each decision by Apple seeks an optimum, so you concluded this decision was for the best. But better for whom -- Apple or the consumer?

Note also, that when I replace a battery that's been glued in, there are many more steps than for devices that aren't so glued down. Possibly because the people who designed it were thinking about repair and replacement scenarios.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by sudosysgen » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:34 PM UTC

spullara wrote: post #194

riffic wrote: post #181

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you know, if expanding batteries were so problematic, why the heck does Apple glue them into the topcase?

To make the computer smaller and lighter.

Permanently glued batteries are not any smaller and they are no lighter than strapped batteries with easily removed adhesives. It's a move to prevent repair.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by twic » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:35 PM UTC

robertlf wrote: post #127

As long as we're having a big bitch-fest here, I'll throw in my $.02. Other than expanding batteries, my laptops have generally been trouble-free. But the problem I do have is that the older my MBP, the slower it becomes when I upgrade the OS. When I upgraded my 2015 to Big Sur last year, it essentially became unusable because it ran so slowly. It now sits in my closet. Apple should stop nagging you to upgrade the OS…

I had this problem with my MacBook Pro, so i upgraded it to Linux. It's an early 2011 model, and still going strong!

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by sudosysgen » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:36 PM UTC

Bud wrote: post #220

gambiting wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I refuse to accept that as an answer as to why the battery is glued in. It's just laziness by apple, there's is literally zero reason to use glue to hold the battery, and it means that if you want to ever replace it yourself you end up looking at a 50-steps long guide on ifixit where one of them is pouring solvent behind the battery - it's insane. Just have a system of tabs holding the battery packs in place, glue is…

No, it's not laziness. Nothing about the internal design of the Mac is due to "laziness". Apple has clearly decided that the battery is better held in place by adhesive than by a "system of tabs". This could easily be for durability or safety reasons. It's a big, big problem if a battery gets damaged. If your argument is that the replacement process has too many steps, this argument fails: you'd save at most one step…

Glue is not protective. The only purpose of glue is to prevent the battery from moving around, which tabs and straps do perfectly well. The battery is protected by the metal casing and nothing else, glue or no glue.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by qq4 » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:36 PM UTC

Bud wrote: post #220

gambiting wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I refuse to accept that as an answer as to why the battery is glued in. It's just laziness by apple, there's is literally zero reason to use glue to hold the battery, and it means that if you want to ever replace it yourself you end up looking at a 50-steps long guide on ifixit where one of them is pouring solvent behind the battery - it's insane. Just have a system of tabs holding the battery packs in place, glue is…

No, it's not laziness. Nothing about the internal design of the Mac is due to "laziness". Apple has clearly decided that the battery is better held in place by adhesive than by a "system of tabs". This could easily be for durability or safety reasons. It's a big, big problem if a battery gets damaged. If your argument is that the replacement process has too many steps, this argument fails: you'd save at most one step…

This could easily be done for profit, as well!

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by zzt123 » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:37 PM UTC

nathanwh wrote: post #277

zzt123 wrote: post #244

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Fresh is "fresh but with IntelliJ and a large project open", but without all the background NGINX etc installed. Once one app starts lagging, they all lag. Terminal, TextEdit, Safari, Notes, IntelliJ, everything. I'm well north of 130wpm, but I don't think that matters for the issues that my Macs have had to deal with, as I used to be well below 130wpm and still experienced such issues.

How did you increase your typing speed so much? I’m sitting at around 70ish wpm and would like to increase it

Lots of slowly accumulated, deliberate practice here and there over many years. monkeytype.com is probably the best site for typing right now. And I just destroyed so many of bits of anonymity haha.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by PolCPP » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:37 PM UTC

Bud wrote: post #228

everyone wrote: post #210

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It seems like they intentionally throttle older models as a feature of the update.. They do it on their phones at least. https://www.phonearena.com/news/how-to-make-iphone-faster_id...

No, they do not, and that's an outrageous, silly, completely unsupported accusation. Apple also does not "intentionally throttle" older iPhones as a "feature of the update" for some sort of nefarious bullshit "planned obsolescence" reason. The opposite is true: Apple reduces the clock speed very very slightly on older iPhones, so that they can be used LONGER and have a LONGER service life. The alternative would be, w…

Because someone decided it was better to be opaque on the iPhone and do that than do the same thing they had on macs and throw a warning when the battery was on bad state.

At least all the drama ended with having a warning and a toggle for battery status.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by chrisseaton » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:37 PM UTC

sudosysgen wrote: post #284

spullara wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To make the computer smaller and lighter.

Permanently glued batteries are not any smaller and they are no lighter than strapped batteries with easily removed adhesives. It's a move to prevent repair.

This conspiracy theory doesn't even make any sense. Guess who has to replace these batteries? Apple. Why would they make it harder for themselves without a good reason.