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Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by hardwaresofton »

inetknght wrote: post #223
hardwaresofton wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But would anyone pay for it? Basically a relatively closed and essentially almost manually curated web ring seems like it'd offer a lot of value, but who pays? Maybe it could work if you charge users a super small base fee (let's say $1/month), and charge commercial sites that want to be listed in certain verticals?

> But would anyone pay for it? Content owners' greed is ruining the web. Build websites without any intention of monetary gain and you'll find a much better experience in the web.

I was talking about who would pay to gather and curate the content. The larger the ring the more effort it would take, and someone has to run that service/pay something (whether it's money, time or effort) to keep such an effort going and worthwhile.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by hardwaresofton »

asdff wrote: post #212
hardwaresofton wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But would anyone pay for it? Basically a relatively closed and essentially almost manually curated web ring seems like it'd offer a lot of value, but who pays? Maybe it could work if you charge users a super small base fee (let's say $1/month), and charge commercial sites that want to be listed in certain verticals?

I'd be happy to pay per month but if a commercial site can just buy sponsored posts I'm out.

Well I didn't think about it too much but the idea is that the more "salesy" the site (i.e. the further they stray from the ideals of the webring/directory), the higher the price.

Also, I wasn't thinking of a stream-of-posts type thing -- more like private, curated search but I guess having a stream makes sense too.

Either way, the question then becomes would enough people pay whatever monthly fee would keep the site viable (pay for the curation, bandwidth, etc) to prevent the people running the service from making compromises on the vision...

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by anthk »

pmlnr wrote: post #260
tpoacher wrote: post #130

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This is why I love the gemini space. It feels ... unadulterated somehow.

Gemini is a dead end. If it was backwards compatible with gopher, with added TLS I might even consider it a good idea, but this is just plain text with links. The true power of web used to be self expression. This is why geoticies was a big thing, why myspace worked, and why Flash defined an era. It's not a great idea to reduce options for creativity; instead, we should encourage it again.

No is not. It's just Gopher rethinked for display-independent devices.

Most Gopher users are aware of Gemini and viceversa, so often provide both services.

Also, Gemini provides options to set ascii-art as -optional- making Gemini one of the best hypertext services for the blind ever.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by inetknght »

lyaa wrote: post #279
inetknght wrote: post #223

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> But would anyone pay for it? Content owners' greed is ruining the web. Build websites without any intention of monetary gain and you'll find a much better experience in the web.

It's unfair to demand all costs from content generation to hosting to be borne by the "owners." For the web to work better, we need more aligned incentives, not to disregard the understandable demand of creators of websites and services to get somehow compensated. I do find ads annoying but I find the expectation that everything be absolutely free on the internet quite ridiculous. Also, even when websites are built w…

> It's unfair to demand all costs from content generation to hosting to be borne by the "owners."

That's, like, your opinion... man...!

> For the web to work better, we need more aligned incentives, not to disregard the understandable demand of creators of websites and services to get somehow compensated.

I disagree. I think of the web and the internet like art. Nearly all of the (arguably) best art was produced without compensation.

> Also, even when websites are built without any intention of monetization, there are still goals which the creators want to achieve.

Yes, but financial gain shouldn't be the primary motivator. When it is then it has a tendency to corrupt everything.

> Lots of people are making all kinds of websites.

Great!

> Some want to be paid and that's fine.

Not so great!

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by rchaud »

ub99 wrote: post #215
rchaud wrote: post #165

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The videos usually have unskippable ads.

Oh I see. My ad blocker seems to block all those video ads pretty effectively! Even then, why would they not just run video ads in that spot? What is the point of trying to distract the user from the content of the article? Just feels weird to me.

I've mostly seen autoplaying ads on "blog" sites like Forbes and Huffington Post or news websites. These are known as 'content mills' because they either reprint Associated Press/Reuters coverage, or they publish articles from freelance contributors. It's a bottomless pit of generic content.

Front-load every article with an autoplaying video w/ ads, and that can make some decent revenue if your site has a lot of traffic.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by Narushia »

Yeri wrote: post #126

"I don't care about cookies" [1] on Firefox breaks the website (ie nothing happens). [1] https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/

Ah, I was wondering If I was supposed to see something else there… Really though, that extension (coupled with Privacy Badger) has made it so much less frustrating to browse the net.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by jareklupinski »

dredmorbius wrote: post #38

An admirable attempt. But nowhere near sufficient. - Not NEARLY enough link-litter (social links). - No Taboola Chumbox. SAD! PATHETIC!!! - Needs a CTA interruption about 15--30s after landing on the payload page. - Needs a useless hero image. - Needs more interstitial nags within the article itself. In bold and annoying context. - Needs more social links after the byline. Yes, today's web is an utter and complete cl…

I almost cried when the "Leave Site?" alert popped up

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

chakkepolja wrote: post #244
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #210

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I had used uBlock Origin for years and years but recently had it with paywalls. Installed NoScript and took a few days to manually OK the stuff I need. Now during a work day, I find I OK something here or there but it’s made everything so much faster and cleaner. I can’t go back.

You can disable / enable js in UBO on per-site basis. You can default disable js and enable when needed, or disable for certain sites only.

Cool, but I have no issues with UBO. My post was about also adding NoScript and much additionally better than has made things.
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