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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by ValentineC »

DavideNL wrote: post #234
DavideNL wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also I think the "head" of the family can reset passwords of the other accounts...

Not sure why I'm being downvoted...: https://support.1password.com/recovery/ Ps. They can delete accounts too: https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/

> Ps. They can delete accounts too: https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/

This makes losing local vault support an even bigger cause for alarm:

> After you remove a family member’s account, they can’t sign in to 1Password, which means:

> They lose all the items in their Private vault. Because the items weren’t shared with any other family members, no one will be able to access them.

Imagine: the access credentials of the administrator gets compromised, and the entire's family's digital life, stored on 1Password, gets wiped by the malicious actor.

The attack surface would be limited if instead, the removed user's license turns into a read-only one, like how 1Password currently deals with people using local vaults, and are not on a subscription.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by lycopodiopsida »

I am a subscriber, an I was a standalone customer before. I've tried to self-host bitwarden-rs, but found the UX and browser extensions being subpar - and I want my wife and parents to use a password manager, too.

It runs well. However, I do not thrust their cloud (or any cloud) completely. I still have a local vault, which is synced locally on WiFi with passwords to my router, NAS, bank cards and accounts, mail accounts. The idea is that should there be a breach at 1password.com the critical accounts do not leak and the damage is limited.

Edit: Local vaults are not available anymore: https://1password.community/discussion/121638/what-is-the-fu...

I have to look for another solution, then. The all-in-cloud bullshit is not acceptable.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by sylens »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I agree with all of your points - I'm okay with their sub model, I'm okay with Electron and it's the first time I was able to convince family members to use a password manager (because it works so well)

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by ValentineC »

prepend wrote: post #237
ValentineC wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm perfectly happy with paying a subscription, and think $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. What I'm not happy with is the possibility of password access being limited or sync breaking if 1Password servers go down. At least with Dropbox (iCloud, wifi) sync, I have full control over the local vault file. Ultimately, it might be mostly about ownership and choice for me.

> $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. I’m glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. I feel like these small, “affordable,” services are just whittling away the Unix philosophy of do one small thing well. Layering on unnecessary crap just to charge a fee eventually comes home to roost. Also, password…

> We forget that taxes are inefficient and should be minimized where possible. A login tax for all eternity sucks.

Yes, but like in many other cases, an efficient market would mean that they will always need to be better in most aspects than whatever free, open source, or simply lower cost competitor pops up.

Unless they decide to prevent people from exporting their passwords, of course — and that's a big enough dealbreaker for me that I'd move away anyway, not caring how fancy or advanced the rest of their UX is.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by jl_agilebits »

craigc wrote: post #81
xondono wrote: post #38

I honestly have 0 problems with this. They’ve gone over and beyond to support old licences far longer than it could be expected, and a password manager is the kind of sensitive and ubiquitous product for which SaS actually makes sense. Anyone remotely involved in anything similar knows it’s a PITA to keep up to date while keeping device compatibility, and the folks at 1P have been doing great work.

Actually a sensitive product is exactly where this does NOT make sense. No matter how good their security is with their cloud version it will still be less secure than having a vault locally on your disk. That is a fact. Subscription services to me are only justified if they are providing a SERVICE which they are with the web version and ability to sync through their own servers, however, using a local version with y…

Hi, I work for 1Password. I can understand your frustration that we're phasing out local vaults. Luckily, I have some good news: we're currently running a survey to gauge user interest in self-hosting options. If you're interested, go to https://survey.1password.com/self-host/ and let us know your thoughts. Thanks!

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by aeturnum »

maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

> Subscription business models

I think a subscription business model is the only honest way to sell software that will require ongoing support. If you're comfortable with a snapshot w/o updates, then by all means buy once, but I think coming to terms with the demands of ongoing support also means coming to terms with continuing to support the product in some way.

That said, I wish there were more variations in the way to pay - a long term license with a high upfront fee and a low monthly, an immediate access option with a high montly and no up-front fee, etc.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by kergonath »

kstrauser wrote: post #67
matthoiland wrote: post #16

Anyone have good/bad experience moving from 1Password to Apple' iCloud Keychain? I've recently been using keychain for new accounts, but not sure I wanna bite the bullet and go all in - just need a nudge.

The most valuable parts of 1Password for me are storing non-password stuff like license keys, secure notes, random security question answers, and the like.

I’ve always used secure notes in the Keychain app for this. Not as smooth as 1Password, but it does the job when I need a licence number (when I get a new computer, so once every ~3 years) or an answer to a security question (can’t say how frequent that is; certainly not more than 1 every other year).

I’ve been doing that for more than a decade (more like 2 actually) without a hiccup.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by AlexandrB »

yssrn wrote: post #144
yesimahuman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ridiculous. Electron works great, and if this leads to more frequent updates and a more consistent experience across platforms, that's a win for users. 1Password's Windows client, for example, has always felt behind the Mac edition, and if this brings parity and a higher feature and update velocity, that's a win. I have at least three Electron apps open right now and they are all great experiences that the va…

A password manager doesn't need frequent updates. Instead, the priorities should be reliability, UX responsiveness, and light resource usage.

Unfortunately, that ship sailed when they took VC funding.
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