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No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by zubairlk »

macando wrote: post #236
zubairlk wrote: post #198

It seems like all the comments here are from non bubble users. We have worked on over 20 client projects in the past 1.5 years using bubble. Specialising exclusively in bubble now. A way to describe the platform would be WordPress for Web Apps. There was a census recently. ~75% clients are startup/MVPs ~25% SME making business tooling Out client portfolio is similar. I've hired fresh graduates in Pakistan, trained th…

"We have worked on 30+ projects in bubble.io." "I'm afraid many are only showable on a Zoom call. Please book a consultation call and I'll share a project that aligns closest with what your project." 30 projects 0 images 0 gifs 0 videos 0 company names 0 case studies Hmmmmm.

At this point in time, there is more demand for bubble than supply of service providers.

When turning down work and struggling to scale, our own website https://azkytech.com takes a hit.

Also, I'm working with a coach and his words are correct. Need to figure out ideal customer profile first and then invest in these.

E.g. have worked on 3 mobile apps . And they are really hard with bubble. The divert challenges app [1] is one of our projects. But just today I asked a guy to find someone else to work on their mobile app..

https://www.divertsessions.com/pages/challenges-app

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by zubairlk »

knighthack wrote: post #201
zubairlk wrote: post #198

It seems like all the comments here are from non bubble users. We have worked on over 20 client projects in the past 1.5 years using bubble. Specialising exclusively in bubble now. A way to describe the platform would be WordPress for Web Apps. There was a census recently. ~75% clients are startup/MVPs ~25% SME making business tooling Out client portfolio is similar. I've hired fresh graduates in Pakistan, trained th…

> You can throw 30 software engineers and have a system and increase velocity that way. This makes absolutely no sense at all. You obviously have not read _The Mythical Man-Month_, and judging by what you've written I completely doubt the entirety of what you've said. Speed is one thing. The long-term maintainability and usability of a system is another thing altogether. I have serious doubts about this 'no code' mov…

Ok I'll elaborate.

I really really miss git, version control systems, pull requests, automated ci checks etc.

Imagine a world without git and version control systems. Then apply that to NoCode.

Who changed which line. When did it happen. These things are normal with code/git. But not with NoCode/bubble (yet Jul2021).

Which file is the master. Which change to merge.

And then throw 30 software engineers at the project. Chaos will happen.

The comment was less about architecture and more about version control and merging which is still early days in the world of bubble compared to software engineering

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by zubairlk »

bencollier49 wrote: post #228
zubairlk wrote: post #198

It seems like all the comments here are from non bubble users. We have worked on over 20 client projects in the past 1.5 years using bubble. Specialising exclusively in bubble now. A way to describe the platform would be WordPress for Web Apps. There was a census recently. ~75% clients are startup/MVPs ~25% SME making business tooling Out client portfolio is similar. I've hired fresh graduates in Pakistan, trained th…

Can you give us an example of one of the 30 apps (as per your website) so we can look at it?

app.konstructly.com (2 sided marketplace. Internal profile and dashboard. In app messaging. Job posting and hiring)

https://www.divertsessions.com/pages/challenges-app (Instagram for action sports. App in app store is bubble by us)

Lots of business tooling ones that are a bit more sensitive. Booking systems for SMEs.

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by minitoar »

ActionHank wrote: post #213
minitoar wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this is obvious but the answer is: cost. Developers are expensive. Delivering a viable poc cheaper, sooner, even if you end up having to redo it all anyway, can be an excellent trade off.

Wonder if there will be similar businesses and freelancers who will start to specialize in the migration from no-code to code in the same way that there are for on-prem to cloud.

Interesting thought. I was also thinking it could be good if you could reify your no-code solution into some sort of generated code, as an escape hatch. I suppose the trick is generating something vaguely sensible.

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by rorykoehler »

rchaud wrote: post #279
rorykoehler wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already know all those things and learned them for pleasure. Once you know it, nocode vs code is like the difference between using a GUI with a mouse or learning the keyboard shortcuts and using the command line. GUI with mouse just slows you down and is less flexible in general. Fine for lots of things but it's hardly a substitute for complex apps. Nocode apps are basically approximations.

You personally know how to use Rails and a number of other web technologies relevant to building web apps. So this product is not for you. Much in the same way that Home Depot is not for me.

I use nocode tools all the time, just not for building products. They’re great but they are also limited. If you hit any kind of success with your prototype you have to be ready to do it for real.

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by zubairlk »

yellow_lead wrote: post #215
zubairlk wrote: post #198

It seems like all the comments here are from non bubble users. We have worked on over 20 client projects in the past 1.5 years using bubble. Specialising exclusively in bubble now. A way to describe the platform would be WordPress for Web Apps. There was a census recently. ~75% clients are startup/MVPs ~25% SME making business tooling Out client portfolio is similar. I've hired fresh graduates in Pakistan, trained th…

What are the limitations? You say it's suited well for MVPs. Is it well suited for our typical web app that has evolving and increasingly technical logic as business needs change?

Depends on the application.

If it is a business that needs Standard CRUD, relational dB backend, a front end. The web app is in a zone that is perfectly viable and can stay in bubble.

Cosmetic Limitations can easily be overcome with custom plugins built using nodejs. We had to parse a large CSV once and wrote a bit of JavaScript to overcome it.

What I wouldn't do in bubble - make a game. Tricky stuff. - intensive math on bubble server. E.g. any machine learning should be done elsewhere. - make something like bubble in bubble. Nope. Don't.

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by zubairlk »

Salgat wrote: post #250
zubairlk wrote: post #198

It seems like all the comments here are from non bubble users. We have worked on over 20 client projects in the past 1.5 years using bubble. Specialising exclusively in bubble now. A way to describe the platform would be WordPress for Web Apps. There was a census recently. ~75% clients are startup/MVPs ~25% SME making business tooling Out client portfolio is similar. I've hired fresh graduates in Pakistan, trained th…

Sounds like a great case for MVPs and startups. Perfect for basic CRUD web apps I imagine. Also the extensibility with plugins means you can still "code" in things you need, which helps with edge cases.

100% agree. Great case for standard CRUD apps and has a coded plugin framework where some nodejs can extend if needed

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by zubairlk »

rco8786 wrote: post #244
zubairlk wrote: post #198

It seems like all the comments here are from non bubble users. We have worked on over 20 client projects in the past 1.5 years using bubble. Specialising exclusively in bubble now. A way to describe the platform would be WordPress for Web Apps. There was a census recently. ~75% clients are startup/MVPs ~25% SME making business tooling Out client portfolio is similar. I've hired fresh graduates in Pakistan, trained th…

Very cool! I have not tried a ton of Nocode but have been watching with interest from afar. My main question is: How do you go from Nocode MVP to a fully productionalized system? It seems like there's a gap there that would still require a team of engineers building the thing with code. Or do tools like Bubble provide ways to incrementally transition?

Not yet. The data can be accessed via API endpoints. So a script could fetch it and populate a new database.

The tricky part would be user authentication. It's built in. So those would need to slowly migrate and need a strategy.

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Post by zubairlk »

vsareto wrote: post #214
zubairlk wrote: post #198

It seems like all the comments here are from non bubble users. We have worked on over 20 client projects in the past 1.5 years using bubble. Specialising exclusively in bubble now. A way to describe the platform would be WordPress for Web Apps. There was a census recently. ~75% clients are startup/MVPs ~25% SME making business tooling Out client portfolio is similar. I've hired fresh graduates in Pakistan, trained th…

How easy is it to debug something in Bubble for a dev and non-dev? They're using Javascript for the custom code part of the platform. Is it the same for the no code part?

Debugging the NoCode part in bubble is super super super easy.

When logged into bubble, add ?debug_mode=true in URL.

See the bottom toolbar. Step by step through any workflow action. (Event based paradigm) or inspect any element and check any state/property. Not chrome inspect tools. Bubble has its own debugging.

Backend debugging is slightly trickier. The logs are harder to read. Sprinkling some database entries makes it easy

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by zubairlk »

rattray wrote: post #225
zubairlk wrote: post #198

It seems like all the comments here are from non bubble users. We have worked on over 20 client projects in the past 1.5 years using bubble. Specialising exclusively in bubble now. A way to describe the platform would be WordPress for Web Apps. There was a census recently. ~75% clients are startup/MVPs ~25% SME making business tooling Out client portfolio is similar. I've hired fresh graduates in Pakistan, trained th…

At what point do your clients typically need to go from the Bubble app to a coded app?

Haven't had one go yet.

The business tooling is built to stay in bubble. SME/Cost. Many MVPs died. Some still MVP stage iterating.

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