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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by paulcole »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #195
hwbehrens wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm obviously an outlier, but I live an 8 minute (peaceful) bike ride from work. I hate commuting, so I optimized for that for this job, and working from home last year was absolutely a net negative for me. Distracting kids, poor work-life balance, more expensive (AC, food, water, etc). I think the lesson here is, some companies can be remote-first, some companies can be in-person, and different employees will prefer…

>> I live an 8 minute (peaceful) bike ride from work Well that's where you live now. Average worker changes jobs 12 times in a career. Is your plan to just move 12 times (and pay the costs associated with that)? Or work at the same job for much longer (and pay the costs associated with that)? One of the benefits of living in a large metro area is the amount of job opportunities, but it you put an 8 minute circle arou…

If you live in a dense area, it’s not hard to switch jobs, keep a similar commute, and not move. I’ve had 4 jobs over the past 14 years, moved once, and never had a bicycle commute longer than 25 minutes.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by hashkb »

dm8 wrote: post #65

I maybe in the minority in this comments section but I genuinely enjoy working from office. I enjoy the social aspects. And commute never bothered me, albeit max commute for me was 45 mins (in the bay area). The only downside that I always felt was parking situation. Lot of my friends feel the same about office work. I believe going forward there will be companies (and employees) in 2 camps -- remote first and hybrid…

I used to enjoy a mix of going to the office and working from home. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It's nice to feel respected and trusted to make the decision myself, and if someone asked me to be somewhere I usually woukd; but being forced just doesn't work (for me).

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by InvertedRhodium »

Larrikin wrote: post #76
InvertedRhodium wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just seems like a somewhat arbitrary point to draw the line - I assumed there was some logical justification for it that I was missing.

Are you sure you aren't being facetious and pretending like you have not heard any mention of the numerous studies that show vaccinated people do not spread the virus in any significant percentage and how herd immunity works?

No, I haven't seen any of those studies and I have very little personal motivation to do so as I live in NZ and the only place I care to travel to is Australia - so no need to pretend or be facetious at all.

In fact, my first actual exposure to wearing a mask was less than 3 weeks ago when I traveled to Sydney. TBH, I don't know what the big fuss is about.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by dv_dt »

sithlord wrote: post #133
campbel wrote: post #33

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So executives can lord over their kingdom. Why else?

More like, so middle managers can lord of their kingdom. Executives will keep in their upper offices, or on their yachts

Essentially working remote at their choice on a frequent basis.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by kamaal »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #60

"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

>>The majority of people just want to earn some money and do it as easily as possible.

The second part is the key. I think if you are a hard ware design shop, you need a certain amount of equipment in house to be productive.

While being remote might be something web development folks prefer. I can imagine there are many teams which are inconvenienced.

Even for software folks if you are dealing with something like datacenter ops, or other kinds of work that require some on the ground presence remote work is more of a problem than feasibility.

For a lot of people its easy to work from offices than home.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by throwawayamz27 »

"Google announced that 20 percent of its workforce would be able to work from home permanently"

Google gets a lot of PR cred for this but its not the case at all.

They "estimated" that 20% of workers would be remote at their management chains discretion. Ie pretty much the same policy they've always had (you can be remote if you get permission, but you'll be the odd one out).

3 days in is just a trick, if you need to commute the majority of the week why not commute the other two days (vs moving somewhere further out with a better WFH setup).

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by NoPicklez »

whateveracct wrote: post #248
Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

> I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage Competitive advantage for whom? The company? It's gonna be hard to overcome to employee advantage of having a potentially absurd effective-hourly-rate when you combine a high salary with extremely low actual hours that only remote work can provide. You can go from 40-60 hours (factoring in overhead like commute) to 15-20 and 2-3x your hourly rate. That's a…

It might be an efficiency gain, but I think OP's reasoning is how much value you're extracting throughout the day.

Of course this is subject to the type of work you do your own personality etc etc.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by _-david-_ »

amyjess wrote: post #187
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I maybe in the minority in this comments section but I genuinely enjoy working from office. In my experience, plenty of people enjoy working from the office. Many of us enjoy a mix of in-office and WFH. The comments sections on these articles tend to receive a lot of projection from people who simply hate their jobs and view WFH as a partial antidote to that. That, and a lot of comments from people who have absurdl…

Mixed WFH/office should be 100% voluntary or it isn't truly mixed. If I can't decide, with zero notice to my employer, to spend a month living and working on the other side of the country, it's not mixed. Anything that requires I live in driving distance of my company's office is not mixed. Mixed means the office is there if anyone wants to come in and work from the office, but if someone wants to spend every month l…

If you have a job where you have to deal with physical things (servers, printers, etc) then you have to be in the office at least some of the time. Somebody working on software may never need to be in the office. The person who works in software may be able to voluntarily choose to work from home or in the office but the other person may not be able to choose. This is still a mixed office in my view.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by throwaway1777 »

coldtea wrote: post #68
Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

> I save money by spending less on food, drinks, and electricity. Compared to commuting (car+gas) and time-to-commute opportunity costs (to use for personal house tasks, side projects, self health)? I seriously doubt it.

Train ticket is $5 each way, that’s less than one meal.
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