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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by losvedir »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #258
xwdv wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of them have ever had to carry planks of wood from Home Depot.

The vast majority of suburban pickup truck owners haven’t ever either.

Really? I find it hard to imagine that anyone who owns a freestanding home hasn't wanted to carry some sort of large item home from Home Depot. It's not some unusual "salt of the earth" kind of situation. I only have a tiny Chevy Sonic, and have often thought how handy it would be to have a truck for carrying home soil, mulch, random wood things, a new lawnmower, heck even a large TV, etc, and have had to rent or borrow one occasionally.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by svnpenn »

coder543 wrote: post #82
thanatos519 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget that electric vehicles are almost silent.

Nope. All electric vehicles sold in the US since September 2020 must have a Pedestrian Warning System that emits noise at speeds less than 18mph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sound... Once you're above 10mph or 15mph the road noise from the tires makes more noise than the quiet gas engines we have these days anyways. This electric F-150 will not be "almost silent" in any way that matters to…

> Once you're above 10mph or 15mph the road noise from the tires makes more noise than the quiet gas engines we have these days anyways.

Are you mental? I live on a residential street, not even too busy, and every single day, I hear these idiot gunning their motors to be cool. With electric its a non issue.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by loudmax »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

I'm not going to defend stereotyping. There are lots of legitimate uses for a pickup truck, whether it be hauling things around or off-road capabilities.

In the suburban environment where I live, the majority of pickup trucks are effectively commuter cars. They haul their owners' asses to a cubicle farm and back home again. These are people who fully buy into the stereotype and have bought a truck so they can purchase their masculinity on a monthly payment plan.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by toss1 »

cschneid wrote: post #76
defaultname wrote: post #11

The aspect I'm most curious about is towing range. I have a 5000lb travel trailer that I tow about 200km away a few times a year. I'm pretty sure I'd be out of luck with a vehicle like this. It has the ability to pull the trailer with ease, but most preliminary estimates are that range would be two digits with that sort of load. In my current vehicle I do stop for gas midway, but it would be an entirely different sit…

I just bought a little teardrop camping trailer, and it was amazing how much it impacted my gas mileage. I tow with a Subaru outback, and I went from low 20s (23/24 on highway) to mid teens. Almost ran out of gas on our first trip since it went so much faster than I expected! I can't imagine that the F150 would be good for long haul trailers... just so much energy involved moving weight around.

I've found towing mileage change was very dependent on the vehicle.

For example, I had a Dodge Durango which got pretty much 16mpg no matter what, whether driving empty or towing a car on a flatbed trailer at highway speeds, still 16mpg. Next vehicle was a used manual transmission BMW X5, got 22-24mpg empty on the highway, but just towing an empty flat trailer would drop that to 17mpg, and a car on it would be 16, and the same towing a small U-Hual box trailer, just instantly drop to 16. So, one was highly stable and the other highly variable with different weight/aero loads.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rootusrootus »

perardi wrote: post #23

I have no idea if this’ll be lightning or a lead balloon, because a significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo. Which sounds like some city-slicker talking down to the cheap seats, except, I grew up in a town named Farmington. (Go Farmers.) I know pickups. I know the people who drive pickups. My dad sneers at fancy new pickups because he used to shove a good 700 pounds of mink pelts in a pickup,…

> significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo

Those are weasel words unless you can back them up with data. Ford sells over a million pickups a year, and they're just a third of that market. There's no way to get an audience this large by going for machismo, pickups sell because they have broad appeal.

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Post by pkulak »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

> It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people.

When a vehicle is driving in front of my house with a grill that's a foot higher than my oldest child... yeah, I don't much like those aesthetics. And it has nothing to do with "moving stuff". The UPS delivery vans that are actually built to, ya know, move stuff, have lower grills and way safer sight lines.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ortusdux »

Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing.

Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an account burred at the bottom. Now I'm thinking about all the ford spam I'll get if I give them my email. Step three is me checking on the cyber truck status.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by tzs »

js2 wrote: post #149
outside1234 wrote: post #43

Wow - so if the grid goes down the Truck will power your house? That is awesome! ref: https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/ (see bottom)

I'm not sure it makes sense though. Now you have to choose between transportation and powering your home. As well, the power needs to go out when the truck happens to have a full charge. I think it cost them little to add (because they already have on-board power ports, which does make sense), but from a practical standpoint, I don't know how useful it is.

In many scenarios, you can anticipate power going out and so make sure to charge up before that.

I do a similar thing with my ICE car. We don't get a lot of snow here, but every few years we'll get a storm that leaves up to a foot on the ground. Significant snow like that is rare enough that the cities and county don't keep a large fleet of snow removal equipment, so they only clear the bigger streets.

I'm on a long dead end street that won't get plowed for quite a while, if at all. People with the bigger trucks and SUVs can still get through, and there are enough of those further up the street from me that usually in a day they'll have made enough trips that my smaller SUV can get out.

When it looks like we might get one of those storms, I top off my car. If I lose power, and my house cools off enough that even with a sweater and jacket it gets too cold to stay in, I can move to my car. A full tank of gas will run the engine idling just enough to power the heater and radio and phone charger for about 24 hours.

Power would almost certainly be restored by the time I'd be running out of gas.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by brandonmenc »

CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

Motorcycles and busses are more dangerous for pedestrians than trucks.

"Compared with cars, buses were 11.85 times and motorcycles were 3.77 times more likely per mile to kill children 0–14 years old. Buses were 16.70 times more likely to kill adults age 85 or older than were cars."

https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/11/4/232

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by pm90 »

ben7799 wrote: post #245
bobince wrote: post #105

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It needn't have been this tall. With the internal combustion engine out, Ford could have designed a lower, more curved, less deadly front end. Instead, they kept the high nose and used the space as a trunk. After all, injuring fewer pedestrians sells no cars. Indeed, the market prefers an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile. Ford are behind this game in that they have…

Blame for killing falls on the driver of the vehicle, not on the company designing it or the shape of the front of the vehicle. Don't hit anyone with your vehicle and you won't kill anyone. I've been hit by a truck bicycling, thankfully not too hard. But I don't really think it would have been better to have been hit by a low slung sleek car. It would have put all the force through my legs.

Please no more of the personal responsibility bullcrap. “Don’t make a mistake and you won’t make a mistake” is a pretty useless statement.

When designing mass manufactured items, it is a responsibility of manufacturers to ensure that their products are as safe as they can be.

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