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Post by emodendroket »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #248
emodendroket wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it sounds like an example that doesn't prove what you aim to convince me of.

The goal was to disprove "this sets the standard that work is worth $0". And celebrities using it in the middle of successful performance careers seems to disprove that idea just fine. You're the one that brought up breakouts, but the part you're demanding proof of is something that's obvious. No, I don't have proof that a nobody performing in the super bowl would have a huge spike in popularity. But I think you're b…

At best we can say it doesn't hurt some of the best-known and most popular performers in the world. If you're the Beyoncé of your field you can do whatever and it's unlikely to hurt you that badly. That has little bearing on the current discussion.

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Post by tshaddox »

munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

I always thought that unpaid internships were less about the company being cheap and saving money, and more about the people in power at the company maintaining a socioeconomic status quo. Generally only people with wealth or a reliable “plan B” can take unpaid internships.

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Post by JackFr »

dv_dt wrote: post #41
jedberg wrote: post #7

I actually feel bad for Netflix here. They have nothing at all to do with this (as the article rightly points out) but the photographer is blaming them anyway, and I'm sure all of their friends are too.

Only to some degree, if Netflix is in some sort of executive production role on this project, then they likely have the pull to squash these kinds of requests.

Honestly, Netflix should ding this company for embarrassing them.

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Post by jsdwarf »

ipaddr wrote: post #97
burnished wrote: post #58

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If Netflix won't pay you, who the fuck will? Whats the value of 'promotion' at that point?

Normal people getting married would pay a premium for someone who appeared on tv. Paying netflix would be a smart business opportunity.

Your photos might appear on this Netflix show, which doesn't mean that you/your brand will do so. Or it might appear in the closing credits that are usually skipped.

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Post by Jtsummers »

gtk40 wrote: post #274
Jtsummers wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If McDonald's can afford to hire low-skill people for minimum wage across the US, so can companies for under-skilled interns. Not paying someone for work isn't cool unless it's a volunteer position. Businesses shouldn't be getting volunteer labor. Non-profits and, maybe, governments are the only ones that should be getting volunteer interns.

McDonald's lobbied to pay minors, as new hires, less than minimum wage, which is still allowed. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/32-minimum-wage... Perhaps a parallel to internships.

Interesting. I wasn't aware of that, but will note that it's only for 90 days (which would cover most summer jobs, though) and the employer must pay more if the state/local minimum wage doesn't have the same under 20 exemption.

And yes, there is some parallel to internships which are generally paid at a rather low rate (often lower than the lowest equivalent employee; a CS intern is going to get paid less than a 1st year out of college new hire developer). But they're still being paid, and it's still the minimum wage (even though it's a lower minimum wage than for those over 20).

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Post by ghaff »

Veen wrote: post #143
ErikVandeWater wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's bad for everybody when professionals work "for publicity" or are encouraged to do so It's important that we not allow our moral judgments to interfere with the facts. This is obviously false.

It’s bad for other professionals because it creates expectations that people will work for free and it reduces the amount other professionals can earn. That’s why it generates negative reactions and shaming in those communities. In the short term, that’s good for whoever gets a free service. In the long run, it’s not great for sustaining a population with a valuable expertise.

So is it bad for developers to work on open source projects on GitHub in their free time? After all, by that logic doing so reduces the amount that other developers can earn.

And should a consultant not be able to maintain a blog that people don't pay for because doing so competes with freelancers?

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Post by dkersten »

duxup wrote: post #42
munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

>I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. When I worked with interns they were all paid... but every one was more time and expense to work with than any value they provided. In weeks they accomplished what I could do in an afternoon, and we spent WAY more than an afternoon of work with them. Amazingly many seemed to have a very high opinion of their productivit…

> But I don't know about this idea that interns are somehow a gateway to getting value out of people

When I was in Uni, I did a 6 month paid internship. A year and a half later I joined the company and stayed for two years. When I left, there was still code that I wrote during my internship running in production. I'm sure the other staff could have done it faster and better than I did, but it was clearly good enough to keep 3.5 years after my internship ended.

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Post by paxys »

acomjean wrote: post #71

Not surprising. Last century I had some NYC black and white photos online. An TV show asked to use them. I gave them a price and crickets.. Digital cameras became popular and the value of photography has plummeted.

The value of photography is as high as it has ever been. Try hiring a photographer with a decent portfolio and referrals for your wedding, for example. The value of "random person with a DSLR" is close to zero (where it probably should be).

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

applecrazy wrote: post #263
interviewer0000 wrote: post #87

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12 weeks in the US. In the realm of software you'll make anywhere from 20 to 50 an hour.

Some internships go higher, but those tend to be in the trading/quant software of things. (see https://www.levels.fyi/internships/ )

Respectfully, what is the value of pointing outliers at the top end of the intern of scale?
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