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Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by lovelyviking »

blacklight wrote: post #262

I've already stated this many times, I'll state it again. Get your shit out of YouTube and any other Google product. Google is a dumb, faceless, fully automated company only interested in extracting as much data as possible from its users, force them to swallow as many ads as possible, all without caring about listening to them (both consumers and creators), under the faulty assumption that they're too big for users…

>Get your shit out of YouTube and any other Google product.

My thoughts exactly 5 years ago. So I did exactly as you say back then. So , did you notice? Did it help? I do not think so.

May be the problem is more complicated and leaving YouTube would not help ?

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Post by nitrogen »

someguyorother wrote: post #153
Guest42 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it depend on seeding that would eventually have tendencies for replication? Or could that be pushed out until practically forever?

If the white noise is based on a random number generator, the pattern would restart after a full cycle. If the random number generator's period is 2^32 and you use one integer per sample, then at 44 kHz, you would have about a million seconds, or twelve days, before the RNG has gone through a full period. Most RNGs have periods much higher than this. xorshift128 has a period of 2^128-1 and the Mersenne Twister's peri…

So you could push it out until practically forever.

But, there will still be repeated sections.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

treesprite82 wrote: post #157
qwertox wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Feed a computer with MIDI files of public domain music and render it as audio 2) Upload to YouTube 3) File copyright dispute to YouTube for any (future?) uploaded video which contains the music which used to be in the public domain 4) Have Google reject the videos 5) Create a site or an app which allows you to license that public domain music for a fee. 6) Notify YouTube who has licensed this public domain music.…

> which is kind of bad, because now the support team must log-in with a Google account to YouTube in order to see the harmless but useful video. Not only this, but in the EU* it requires verifying your age with a credit card or ID photo: https://i.imgur.com/gP20dXi.png

Since you van have a credit card when you are 13 yo, the check is more or less useless.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by joshuaissac »

anadem wrote: post #250
gbuk2013 wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is actually one more step available, even after the copyright strike: you submit your contact details and YT clears the strike and it’s up to the claimant to then issue proceeding against you outside of YT. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807684 I have used it in the past and it works.

> and YT clears the strike there's the rub .. in the OP's example, the strike wasn't cleared

As I understand it from her video, she did not get a copyright strike yet, and she also did not complete the appeals process because she did not want to submit her contact details to strangers.

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Post by ergot_vacation »

bcrescimanno wrote: post #274
blacklight wrote: post #262

I've already stated this many times, I'll state it again. Get your shit out of YouTube and any other Google product. Google is a dumb, faceless, fully automated company only interested in extracting as much data as possible from its users, force them to swallow as many ads as possible, all without caring about listening to them (both consumers and creators), under the faulty assumption that they're too big for users…

I agree with your assessment of Google; however, what is a reasonable alternative for a content creator who wants to publish their videos and be able to build an audience? You kinda have to go where the audience will be if you don't already have one and I'm not aware of any video discovery platforms with anywhere near the reach of YouTube. I've managed to get out of Google products almost entirely--YouTube remains th…

I'd disagree slightly with the parent post here: the conclusion shouldn't be "get away from Google" so much as "If you have to use Google, understand what you're getting into." If you deal with unsavory people, things will go south eventually. If you deal with Google, sooner or later things like this will happen. Expect it, build it into your strategy, but don't be surprised by it.

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Post by datapolitical »

crescentfresh wrote: post #238
daedalus_f wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Wikka Moonlight" seems to be the name of the audio the copyright claim is originating from rather than the organisation claiming the copyright. [1] The audio contains a recording of Moonlight Sonata with a load of added reverb. The uploading channel is "Alice Violet Molland - Topic". The "Topic" bit generally gets added to a channel name when a music distributer (like DistroKid [2]) publishes music to youtube on beh…

> The uploading channel is "Alice Violet Molland - Topic" I went searching around using that info and came across a (similarly outraged) thread on google's support forums about this video, in which someone named longzijun seemed to make a reasonably sound counter-argument: https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/108213944/a-posted... > Then she files a counter-notification. The appeals process has not been complete…

Issuing the strike when the process is not complete is an example of them getting involved.

Especially since there’s no strike for copyright holders if they issue a false claim.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by RogerL »

ergot_vacation wrote: post #285
bcrescimanno wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your assessment of Google; however, what is a reasonable alternative for a content creator who wants to publish their videos and be able to build an audience? You kinda have to go where the audience will be if you don't already have one and I'm not aware of any video discovery platforms with anywhere near the reach of YouTube. I've managed to get out of Google products almost entirely--YouTube remains th…

I'd disagree slightly with the parent post here: the conclusion shouldn't be "get away from Google" so much as "If you have to use Google, understand what you're getting into." If you deal with unsavory people, things will go south eventually. If you deal with Google, sooner or later things like this will happen. Expect it, build it into your strategy, but don't be surprised by it.

How do you "build that into your strategy"? That is so easy to type, but unactionable. A piano teacher can't build her own streaming platform, and if she goes to a different platform she'll die in obscurity.

Concretely, what should she have done differently?

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Post by mikenew »

blacklight wrote: post #262

I've already stated this many times, I'll state it again. Get your shit out of YouTube and any other Google product. Google is a dumb, faceless, fully automated company only interested in extracting as much data as possible from its users, force them to swallow as many ads as possible, all without caring about listening to them (both consumers and creators), under the faulty assumption that they're too big for users…

> under the faulty assumption that they're too big for users and consumers to live without them

It is, unfortunately, not a faulty assumption. I'm a piano teacher on YouTube, and I'm able to make money there. My entire audience was developed through the platform. I put videos on platforms like Vimeo or even Peertube, and I've had more views in one day on YouTube than their entire lifetime on those other platforms combined.

The network effect is a cruel mistress, but short of some kind of global exodus no one has the ability to change that. I hate it as much as anyone.

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Post by ratsmack »

ergot_vacation wrote: post #285
bcrescimanno wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your assessment of Google; however, what is a reasonable alternative for a content creator who wants to publish their videos and be able to build an audience? You kinda have to go where the audience will be if you don't already have one and I'm not aware of any video discovery platforms with anywhere near the reach of YouTube. I've managed to get out of Google products almost entirely--YouTube remains th…

I'd disagree slightly with the parent post here: the conclusion shouldn't be "get away from Google" so much as "If you have to use Google, understand what you're getting into." If you deal with unsavory people, things will go south eventually. If you deal with Google, sooner or later things like this will happen. Expect it, build it into your strategy, but don't be surprised by it.

>Expect it, build it into your strategy, but don't be surprised by it.

This is kind of like saying... Expect failure, build failure into you strategy, and move blindly forward believing there is no other alternative.

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Post by envp »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #283
treesprite82 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which is kind of bad, because now the support team must log-in with a Google account to YouTube in order to see the harmless but useful video. Not only this, but in the EU* it requires verifying your age with a credit card or ID photo: https://i.imgur.com/gP20dXi.png

Since you van have a credit card when you are 13 yo, the check is more or less useless.

It's it effectively doxxing people under 13? That's a concerning implication if I'm understanding this correctly.
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