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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by zthrowaway »

vladTheInhaler wrote: post #186
snicksnak wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.

One of the major political parties in the United States denies that it lost the last election, sent goons to storm the seat of government, and is actively trying to deny people the ability to vote. But the real problem is "woke people" bumming you out by being all self-righteous.

How is requiring an ID (which everyone needs to do anything in this country and with the government) denying people the ability to vote?

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by slg »

jonwithoutanh wrote: post #277
slg wrote: post #268

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You are not being honest about Rogan's opinions on trans athletes. He does not want trans women competing against cisgender women.[1] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e0qwXgjjDA&t=120s

Would it be fair for cisgender woman to compete in strength sports against https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janae_Kroc ? Do you truly believe that this person would have no advantage competing against cisgender woman? I think most people would be able to see the obvious advantage Janae gained from formerly being a male.

It is just as "fair" as it is for me to compete against LeBron James for a spot in the NBA. Sports are inherently unfair. They take a tremendous amount of work, but it is almost never about work alone. The best athletes are almost always born with physical gifts that are huge outliers.

The truth is that trans women have been allowed to compete on the collegiate and international stages for almost two decades at this point. Where are all the transgender athletes dominating competition. Why doesn't Janae Kroc have a Olympic gold medal? This fear is mostly unfounded.

EDIT: I did a little more research after posting and I will refer you to the words of Kroc herself[1]:

> And yes as hard as it is to believe for some people one year is a sufficient amount of time for HRT to completely eliminate any advantage that person had and there is significant evidence to back this up. This is also why even though trans women have been able to compete in the Olympics since Athens in 2004 we have not had one single trans woman medal at the Olympics...

>As far as going forward is concerned it's all about education. This is so much misinformation out there and so many people talking about how transwomen will dominate all women's sports and yet that has never happened. It's very similar to the threat of transwomen in bathrooms concerning child safety. No recorded incidents ever but it was used as a scare tactic to enact laws.

[1] - https://old.reddit.com/r/powerlifting/comments/75rd7q/janae_...

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

anonu wrote: post #214

This sucks for Joe and I can't say i didn't see it coming. What would you do: take $100 million and get silenced? Or refuse the money and remain independent? Also the listening/viewing experience on spotify is horrible. I used to get podcasts on my app of choice and have the YouTube videos running in the background. I've definitely stopped listening as much

Reading some comments here enlightened me... "It sucks for Joe"? He's got 100 million reasons he agreed to this arrangement, I don't think he gives a shit. Yeah you hurt for him because you think he's suffering under the censorship, but if I were him I'd just laugh at my brainwashed loyal fans, as well as at Spotify which is filling his bank account and is rewarded with hate by a lot of parties (the Joe fanboys, the Joe haters, the Joe haters employed by them...).

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by roenxi »

dlp211 wrote: post #242
roenxi wrote: post #232

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> It certainly isn't arbitrary... [a]gain, you may disagree with their reasoning, but it is not an unreasonable position. Those are slightly incorrect interpretations of the words 'arbitrary' and 'unreasonable'. Reasonable doesn't mean 'has reasons'. Every decisions has reasons. If a king decides to chop someone's head off he had reasons - he felt like it. Being reasonable/unreasonable is about whether an opinion can…

arbitrary: "based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system." None of these are by personal whim, there is clearly a process/system in place to determine whether an episode should stay. unreasonable: "not guided by or based on good sense" and "beyond the limits of acceptability or fairness." Sorry, I just don't see how these decisions could be considered unreasonable. You may disagree with t…

> there is clearly a process/system in place to determine whether an episode should stay.

Which system are you thinking of? There is probably just a content moderation group that makes aye/nay calls. A system is something like judicial review of police actions, or that strange independent review council that Facebook is setting up.

Spotify's 'system' is going to boil down to someone making arbitrary calls. There isn't a science to it.

> Sorry, I just don't see how these decisions could be considered unreasonable.

Millions of people endorse Joe Rogan, he is a benchmark of what acceptability means. Joe Rogan talking about something is almost definitely marking it as something that is a matter of interest to the public and a legit topic of conversation.

He is far more qualified to decide what is and isn't acceptable to his audience and the public discourse than Spotify, some random corporation filled with people who passed a job interview.

Censoring his content is unreasonable by default, unless Spotify has a really compelling argument.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by zthrowaway »

hoka-one-one wrote: post #85
basisword wrote: post #13

>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.

It's understandable. He's routinely allowed right-wing radicals such as Abby Martin and Gavin McInnes and Dave Rubin on his show. I personally would stop using Spotify if they started promoting such hateful content. Paradox of tolerance, etc.

Different opinions! The horror!

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by slg »

imgabe wrote: post #280
slg wrote: post #273

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This is what you said: >Rogan didn't even say trans women shouldn't compete This is what Rogan said (rough transcript): >[When you let a trans women competing against cisgender women] you are stealing from [cisgender] women, you are stealing victory, you are cheating, you are fucking 100% cheating, and anybody who says they are not is an asshole. You are misrepresenting Rogan's point to make it sound more acceptable.…

He has spoken about this on a number of different occasions. The one clip you happened to find at the top of your google search does not constitute everything he ever said on the topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQTfyjhvfH8&t=4210s This is where he's talking about MMA. There were other occasions where he mentioned disclosing it. I don't remember the exact episode and timestamp. But like I said above (sorry, edi…

>The one clip you happened to find at the top of your google search does not constitute everything he ever said on the topic.

I never said it did constitute everything he has ever said on the topic. However that isn't the point. Not every episode is being removed. Only some of them are. He can be accepting of trans people on 99 episodes and it doesn't undo being transphobic on the 100th. It is also possible his opinions have evolved over time, but we aren't judging his current opinion. All that maters is what was said on the specific episodes being removed.

>What does any of this have to do with promoting hate or violence? Does thinking people should compete in this or that competition somehow mean you hate them?

You are the one who brought sports into this. I simply stated he has been repeatedly accused of transphobia. His opinion on sports is part of that, but it isn't the only time he has been called transphobic.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by imgabe »

slg wrote: post #282
jonwithoutanh wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be fair for cisgender woman to compete in strength sports against https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janae_Kroc ? Do you truly believe that this person would have no advantage competing against cisgender woman? I think most people would be able to see the obvious advantage Janae gained from formerly being a male.

It is just as "fair" as it is for me to compete against LeBron James for a spot in the NBA. Sports are inherently unfair. They take a tremendous amount of work, but it is almost never about work alone. The best athletes are almost always born with physical gifts that are huge outliers. The truth is that trans women have been allowed to compete on the collegiate and international stages for almost two decades at this…

According to the Wikipedia page, it seems Janae only competed before transitioning in men's weightlifting, at which point he[1] held several world records.

So, to answer your question, the reason Janae does not hold a gold medal in women's weightlifting, is that she never competed as a woman.

It is not really comparable to an average, non-professional athlete competing against a professional athlete. A fair comparison would be Lebron James competing against Breanna Stewart (WNBA Finals MVP) or the LA Lakers competing against the Houston Comets.

And hey, that might be interesting! But it's not currently what we're doing. Again, if biological sex doesn't make any difference in sports, then why even have separate men's and women's competitions at all?

[1] The Wikipedia page notes she uses male pronouns when referring to the time before transitioning.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by motohagiography »

klyrs wrote: post #267
motohagiography wrote: post #243

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To be precise, Spotify and other platforms have been cowed into dropping episodes and people because they are afraid of the anonymous histrionics from small mobs. The same goes for every other platform. They directly enable and reward the very people they seem to fear. Do the platforms think these mobs can be appeased, or that they will relent once you satisfy them? They've negotiated with terrorists and compromised…

But what if the people making the decisions agree with the people you're describing as a terrorist mob? What if some of them do, and some of them don't, and this compromise reflects the diverse viewpoints of the people involved? Or what if it's a purely monetary decision, where hosting rogan is expected to be more profitable than not, and removing a few of his more controversial casts is expected to be more profitabl…

When I see a compelling op-ed or a principled stand against mobs from a mainstream platform, media, or consumer products executive, I'll certainly revisit my view, but until then, I'm sure they are compensated for any respect they may have traded.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by AzzieElbab »

akiselev wrote: post #68
AzzieElbab wrote: post #19

One day I will also buy something for 100M just to slowly nullify its value

By the time you're in a position to buy 100M of anything, the way you extract and calculate value fundamentally changes. Spotify is a public company with a market cap of ~$50 billion so even a 1% movement in stock price can mean hundreds of millions of dollars of extra capital through stock sales or credit lines and easier recruiting. It can mean meeting contractual obligations on existing credit lines or stock heavy…

Maybe, but the whole thing can be derailed by a well timed Twitter storm

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by AzzieElbab »

jordache wrote: post #49
AzzieElbab wrote: post #19

One day I will also buy something for 100M just to slowly nullify its value

The 10 mins of ads preceding every JRE episode (which is PIA to skip in 30sec increments on my apple watch) is one reason i stopped listening. Oh and the fact that almost every guest is a comedian or MME fighter.. two categories that are barely compelling to me.

Rogan hosted Eric Weinstein(highly recommend super personal interview), Brian Green, and Dan Crenshaw this week alone.
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