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Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by officeplant »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #87
bluGill wrote: post #70

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With system 76 you get not just the processor, but also the other parts. You know System 76 didn't change network interfaces to something new with no linux drivers mid stream. Or Wifi, USB chipset, some BIOS, or one of the many other non-processor parts that manufacture change all the time. If there are drivers the substitution doesn't matter to anyone, but often there are no linux drivers for 3-6 months (best case -…

Costco list the model and the manufacturer provides all the information about the chips on their website. If you're running a distro with a 2 year old kernel then you may have issues, but I run Arch so it works flawless. I just got a Ryzen 4600 on Costco for $429 and everything works great.

Not everyone runs Arch or a distro with anywhere near the newest kernel. Not everyone feels like digging for posts online that show what wifi/ethernet/etc chipset a laptop is using so they know beforehand whether or not its going to be a pain in a more LTS minded distro.

System76 is there for those people.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by KptMarchewa »

GiorgioG wrote: post #250
fnord77 wrote: post #218

I don't understand why many of these workstation-class laptops have num. pads. It is so annoying to type with your hands off-center from the screen.

I don't understand why most developers that work in a stationary location use underpowered/thermally-constrained laptops rather than a desktop machine.

Because I work in multiple stationary locations. Even during pandemic.

If I really wanted to work on desktop I'd need to buy a car and bother with transporting it few times a week, or I'd need to buy multiple desktops and move only external SSD.

And in that case it would be a luxury, but I'd still want a laptop for occasional work and entertainment from couch.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by officeplant »

legohead wrote: post #114
throwawayffffas wrote: post #58

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See benchmarks here: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Ryzen+7+4700U...

basically: not great I don't want to advertise, so I'll just say - you can go to a big computer/hardware seller website and search for laptops with nvidia graphics cards. You can get a laptop with a GTX 1650 for $700, which has 3x the performance.

And then we have to deal with nvidia's proprietary drivers, HDMI being electrically connected to the gpu, graphics switching, etc.

AMD's APU graphics offer a good enough solution while removing the headaches many of us are trying to avoid.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by KptMarchewa »

coldtea wrote: post #258
echelon wrote: post #254

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Because all laptop users make use of the screen.

A large number of laptop users just use them on the desktop, tethered to a big screen, in clamshell mode. This includes almost every vlogger setup one can find...

I use it like that 80-90% of the time, but the on the rest I just use it purely as laptop on the couch. I like to have both options.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by ur-whale »

tristor wrote: post #275

I want to love this, but the keyboard seems horrible. I know I'm exceptionally picky when it comes to keyboards, I usually just take a 60% mechanical keyboard with me, but I've been able to adjust to using the (non-crappy years) Macbook Pro keyboard and the Thinkpad keyboards while traveling, and generally find them acceptable. This keyboard though has really bad legends, an inexplicable numpad, and it takes up too m…

I've never bought a laptop without a numpad and would never even consider a laptop that doesn't have one.

There are tons of apps, specifically in the video editing / 3D modeling space that are basically unusable without one.

When I code, I have macros tied to numpad keys. Couldn't work without them.

If all you do is browse the web and answer email on your laptop, then yeah, makes sense.

For any serious work, no numpad = no buy.

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Post by lumenwrites »

i80and wrote: post #233
echelon wrote: post #231

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Do numbers constitute even 5% of your keyboard usage time?

Depends on what you're doing: any kind of 3D work requires a numpad to be effective, since that's typically where camera controls are bound in every workflow I've seen.

This only applies to Blender. No other 3D software that I know of requires numpad hotkeys. I've been using Maya/Houdini/zBrush for years, never touched the numpad, that feels too awkward. If numpad keybindings in these apps do exist - I never knew about them, never needed to, never will.

(because left hand is on the keyboard, and right hand is on the mouse or stylus, and putting down the mouse to reach for a numpad is just weird.)

Doing it with the laptop would be even worse, I imagine.

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Post by kube-system »

jdmichal wrote: post #262
kube-system wrote: post #213

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I bought an innovative new convertible tablet from HP in 2008. I now appreciate Apple's hesitancy to implement innovative designs before they're ready for prime-time. Sometimes, quality of execution is more innovative than the concept.

I still have a vintage 2010 HP TouchSmart tm2 sitting around. It was certainly an early execution of the convertible idea, and I appreciate it for that. Doesn't stop me from also appreciating my modern Surface Book 2 and Dell XPS 13, though. Anyway, that's basically the creation myth of the iPhone, no? That it supposedly was basically iterated on for quite a few years before the technology got to the point where a hi…

I also had WM phones at the time of the iPhone release. Most WM users at the time, myself included, were power-users who criticized the iPhone for a lack of features and never actually bought one. I couldn't install my network scanning app, connect to exchange, or even copy/paste with the iPhone, so what was the point?

Turns out I was entirely wrong: Apple wasn't positioning this phone for IT/business professionals for corporate use. They were building a consumer product. The feature set they were prioritizing was entirely counter-intuitive from my perspective. The features that I thought were gimmicks at the time ended up being the features that made it successful: natural multi-touch input, a (then) gigantic screen, and a bare-bones UI/UX. It had nothing that I wanted or needed, but it had everything that they needed to open up the market to millions of people who weren't using HTC bricks on their Verizon corporate plan that their IT admin configured for them.

Just search "windows mobile" on YouTube and look back at the awful (but feature filled!) experiences we used to think was awesome. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXDgsZvSTP8

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by ad404b8a372f2b9 »

gmac wrote: post #267
tastyfreeze wrote: post #228

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I don't understand why many workstation-class laptops DONT have a num pads. It is so annoying to have to type long sequences of digits without one.

Perhaps because you can buy a separate numpad if you want one, and then have the best of both worlds: both a numpad and a centered keyboard?

I don't want to have to assemble my laptop in parts. Why not the webcam and the mouse and the speakers while we're at it.
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