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Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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I really admire the swiss political system & culture. It's has all the modern postulates of liberty & governance that most countries are striving for without the "scam orchestration"

> I really admire the swiss political system & culture. Do you admire denying women the vote until the end of the 20th century?

Local self determination is admirable, and no one stopped anyone from Apenzell from voting with their feet.

Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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Quite a few people who voted against this did so purely because they didn’t want private companies controlling the system. If the proposal had been for the government to issue and control the identities, it may well have passed.

They are doing the correct thing then. Prisons, ID, policing NONE of that stuff should ever be in corporate hands. It just stinks of fascism to anyone who really thinks about it for more than a moment. Governments are bad enough, corporations should never take on such roles because then they have a second incentive of profit to be bad actors and not just petty power trips.

Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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It has its advantages and disadvantages. It is also the political system that caused this: "In 1991 following a decision by the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland, Appenzell Innerrhoden (AI) became the last Swiss canton to grant women the vote on local issues." Notice how it was a court decision, not a result of the political process. I'd say 1991 is a bit too late to have full voting rights for women. https://en.w…

How can you so sure that your ideal is how they should live? What I admire about the Swiss is how they live and let live - they may disagree with the neighbour, but let them be.

Not allowing one group to have an equal voice is the opposite of live and let live

Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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Switzerland has an awesome electoral system [1]. Instead of being ruled by a president or a prime minister who can be polarising, divisive, or selective, Switzerland has an Executive Council. The 7 member Executive Council is composed of the top 7 candidates from each election. The chairperson of the executive council rotates each year, so that the top 4 vote winners each get a turn at being chairperson. This means t…

i disagree wholeheartedly in that it is more cooperative. Switzerland is anything but cooperative. But that's what makes this country so great. We take our divisions, within cantons, and leverage them for positive externalities to (accidentally) benefit the greater good. In CH, every very canton sets their own citizenship policy. Its not a coincidence. Did you hear about the woman that's been living in Zug, and been…

One important thing that was not argued well in my opinion is that the Swiss National Bank pegged its Swiss franc to the euro on Sept. 6, 2011. I lost a lot of money on that day, because I had all my net worth in CHF, as I trusted it to keep its value and not be devalued fast.

The good thing that came out from it is that I realized that even Switzerland's central bank cannot be trusted, and moved to Bitcoin. I never looked back.

Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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In Sweden we have a company running the ID system and that works fine. The company is coowned by all the large banks afaik. I was really surprised at how far behind Switzerland is compared to Scandinavia when it comes to digitalisation. Being able to handle my life hassle free online instead of going to physical places (like post office, banks, gov office) is liberating. I also get all my bills digitally and all my r…

> I also get all my bills digitally So do I. In Switzerland.

All my bills are digital and paid digitally out of an account that I put money in every month digitally. In Texas.

Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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post #210

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Please don't post generic comments and/or ideological flamebait to HN. It leads to generic threads and/or ideological flamewars, which we're trying to avoid because they're tedious and turn nasty. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

oh ok, professionals have standards my bad ! I will elaborate and be "more thoughtful and substantive" as written in the guidelines, next time I didn't know where to place the cursor, since the issue was inherently politic and not about technology, as the article states But this article deserved political comments, nonetheless

Political comments are ok if they're thoughtful and substantive (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...). When they turn shallow and low-information, they become flamebait. We're trying to avoid that, and we're especially trying to avoid the repetitive battles they usually escalate into.

Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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Well, that same system also voted on banning Muslim face coverings ("Experts estimate that at most a few dozen Muslim women wear full-face coverings in the country of 8.5 million people."), while a pandemic is going on and face coverings for protection are recommended. https://apnews.com/article/health-legislation-coronavirus-pa...

Burqua isn't islamic to begin with anyway.

Yep it's definitely a cultural thing. I think it really is mostly to suppress women and not as a way one shows their religion which one does by living and not by clothing.

Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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What's wrong with banning a backwards custom that limits women's rights?

Because the presumption is that the women in question are being forced to do this and don't want to. But your solution is to implement a law which punishes the victim, rather then doing anything about their presumed victimizer. If the women who didn't want to wear the covering didn't want to wear it, what is stopping them from simply not doing it to start with? The answer of course is husband's, brothers, family etc.…

The laws of religion should not override those of the state. To do so would lead to a theocracy and that has been shown to be almost universally bad on any large scale.

Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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Compared to what? Are cultural difference between US, Canada and mexico any greater than those between Switzerland, Italy and Russia?

Yes, of course, each of those countries is internally very diverse, and in relation to the others. Each of those countries was made by a mix of native, European, African and Asian peoples of different kinds, in different proportions, at different times. Europe is made of just Europeans, and immigration is a very recent thing.

Dude, WTF, Egyptians have been living in Italy four thousand years before USA existed.
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