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Noise pollution hurts the heart

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Re: Noise pollution hurts the heart

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neolog wrote: post #276
khafra wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's like saying, "I'll stop punching you if you pay me $50, but until then I'm really enjoying punching you." It's not at all like that, because punching people is currently illegal, and making noise up to a certain threshold is legal. I like peace and quiet more than I like making noise, so I wouldn't mind a lower legal threshold; but the advantage of paying people instead of fighting to change laws is that the…

If I can change the laws first, then the other side will have to pay me. How to decide what's the best "starting point" for a Coase bargain?

The starting point for a Coase bargain is here, now. If you successfully get the laws changed before bargaining, that gives you a different starting point for bargaining.

If you do have the ability to reliably get laws changed at some expense, you should bring that up while bargaining; it will give you a stronger position. You should be able to get a deal that's better than actually spending whatever resource it would take to change the law.

Re: Noise pollution hurts the heart

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Post by neolog »

khafra wrote: post #281
neolog wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I can change the laws first, then the other side will have to pay me. How to decide what's the best "starting point" for a Coase bargain?

The starting point for a Coase bargain is here, now. If you successfully get the laws changed before bargaining, that gives you a different starting point for bargaining. If you do have the ability to reliably get laws changed at some expense, you should bring that up while bargaining; it will give you a stronger position. You should be able to get a deal that's better than actually spending whatever resource it woul…

That makes sense to me.

This is an interesting perspective. Can I ask what your background is that exposed you to this way of thinking?

Re: Noise pollution hurts the heart

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Post by khafra »

neolog wrote: post #282
khafra wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The starting point for a Coase bargain is here, now. If you successfully get the laws changed before bargaining, that gives you a different starting point for bargaining. If you do have the ability to reliably get laws changed at some expense, you should bring that up while bargaining; it will give you a stronger position. You should be able to get a deal that's better than actually spending whatever resource it woul…

That makes sense to me. This is an interesting perspective. Can I ask what your background is that exposed you to this way of thinking?

Lots of reading game theory & economics, and saying "that doesn't make any sense," then reading it again until it made sense. The "rationalsphere" is where I read most of it; sites like lesswrong, overcomingbias, putanumonit, and thezvi.

Re: Noise pollution hurts the heart

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Post by whiteboard18 »

We’ve started working on some functionality like you are describing - to show noise levels for a given real estate location. If you have a sec, I’d love any constructive feedback. (The demo is just U.S. locations for now but the service is global)”. And then add the link: https://tether-data.com/noise-report/

Re: Noise pollution hurts the heart

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Post by whiteboard18 »

elicash wrote: post #40

A bit unrelated, but I'd love to use a Zillow-like platform but filtering homes for noise pollution, light pollution, air pollution. (Also climate and flooding.) Most people wouldn't use it, because they've basically decided which city/town (bc of work/family) and are just trying to narrow down which home. But it'd be very useful to me, personally, as someone who can do my job from anywhere. Also, I'd imagine it's im…

We’ve started working on some functionality like you are describing - to show noise levels for a given real estate location. If you have a sec, I’d love any constructive feedback. (The demo is just U.S. locations for now but the service is global)”. And then add the link: https://tether-data.com/noise-report/

Re: Noise pollution hurts the heart

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Post by fwn »

firstfewshells wrote: post #65
belly_joe wrote: post #2

I feel the sound -> stress connection palpably. Especially sudden loud noises like a horn honking cause me to feel upset for a long while after being startled. Seems like a convincing argument to me for car-free spaces, although honestly I just wish we had stronger social norms against unnecessarily using a car's horn.

Well, I hope you never have to travel to India where people honk when the red light is on. Why? Coz they're bored and they "want" the light to turn green.

For the sake of the people living in India we probably all hope that such norms fade over time.

I've read about an experiment where increasing the noise level of carhorns on the inside of the car reduced horn usage significantly. Maybe there's some smart way to use tweaks like that in future regulation.

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