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Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by porb121 » Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 9:09 AM UTC

valenterry wrote: post #252

austhrow743 wrote: post #217

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Nope 60 minutes as a beginner sounds about right with correcting posture and whatnot. Once I was familiar with it that dropped right down. Starting Strength is a very minimal program. Obviously no one is going to account for commute in how long a program takes. Some take hours to get to the nearest gym and others have home gyms.

Okay, maybe I did something terribly wrong as a beginner, but how did you make sure that your posture is good? I used to do the exercise with little a no weight, record myself and double check for a longer time, until I found that I got used to the right movements.

posture (a) doesn't particularly matter to begin with, and (b) is already massively improved by basic compound movements.

like, it's hard to imagine what you would do for a better posture other than highbar squats, deadlifts, rows, etc

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by porb121 » Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 9:12 AM UTC

actuator wrote: post #71

Except for winning competitions, is there any natural advantage of bodybuilding for both men and women? For both, for advantage in most sports and attractiveness the typical calisthenics physique, sort of gymnast/football(soccer) one seems like the ideal one to me, yet a lot of people seem to be obsessed with getting overly buff.

bodybuilding is far less injurious than other strength sports and those are far less injurious than any team sports.

you are almost certain to sustain significant acute injuries doing gymnastics, football, basketball, etc over a long training career. the same cannot be said for bodybuilding - you might develop overuse injuries or wear and tear, but still less frequently than in other sports.

it's really, really, really hard to tear an acl, break a collarbone, or dislocate a shoulder bodybuilding. yet I know someone who did all 3 in one season of rugby!

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Post by 3131s » Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 9:17 AM UTC

watwut wrote: post #253

3131s wrote: post #239

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Nonsense, if your abs aren't visible as a man then you are carrying too much fat. What's unhealthy about body bulding, beyond the direct effects of the roids, is that these guys are like 300+ lbs. That and becoming severely dehydrated from taking diuretics before competitions.

This is what they call unrealistic expectations acquired from media.

It is not, and in fact any man that actually uses their body (instead of filling it with shit) will have visible abs.

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Post by linspace » Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 9:36 AM UTC

kofejnik wrote: post #171

linspace wrote: post #115

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My reasoning is the following, and as someone who likes to do weight lifting I would love to be proved wrong: if steroids are not necessarily bad and we surely know they work wonders how is it possible that, in a world obsessed with looks and moving so much money in all kind of (absurd) products, they have not been legally commercialized somehow.

Same as why vodka is legal but mdma isn't: deeply entrenched interests, on both sides. Listen, kids: All Steroids Are Bad, and anybody who disagrees is a Bad Person, and probably a criminal.

But that is exactly my point: we have legalized lot of substances bad for health and yet we cannot buy steroids freely. Steroids have at least an upside compared to vodka.

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Post by globular-toast » Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 9:37 AM UTC

Female bodybuilding is about the masculine physique. Feminine physiques don't require testosterone injections or lifting heavy weights.

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Post by moosebear847 » Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 9:37 AM UTC

gautamcgoel wrote: post #270

SamPatt wrote: post #212

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The difference from being obese to being fit has been night and day for me. Self confidence plays a role so it's a sort of self fulfilling prophecy, but there's no question others treat you differently.

Can you please elaborate a bit? What differences did you notice?

When he was obese, people were like, ugh a fat slug who needs to stop eating 2000 calories a sitting. plus his nose is kinda crooked. When he got fit, all the sudden he started looking a pretty sexy guy who's got it together. that slightly crooked nose? now a cute quirk that makes his face more unique and charming.

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Post by linspace » Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 9:40 AM UTC

samatman wrote: post #134

linspace wrote: post #115

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My reasoning is the following, and as someone who likes to do weight lifting I would love to be proved wrong: if steroids are not necessarily bad and we surely know they work wonders how is it possible that, in a world obsessed with looks and moving so much money in all kind of (absurd) products, they have not been legally commercialized somehow.

We could ask this question about almost every substance which has been declared illegal. Indeed, we should. I don't use androgenic steroids, but I'm right on the cliff where natural levels start falling off, and once I'm over it, I will give it some serious consideration.

I don't discard also using them in the future to some extent slow aging effects but it's hard to find good info.

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Post by Guthur » Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 9:57 AM UTC

porb121 wrote: post #274

happyweasel wrote: post #258

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yeah.. 60-90 min workout, but probably a minimum 30-40min recovery time to feel okay afterwards, plus extended sleep! You really tend to sleep longer.. You want that 8 hour sleep, if you are actually working with weights about 3-4 times a week. Compare that with 30-40mins of medium-to-intensive cardio.. Massive cortisol peaks after intense workout sessions, etc etc..

if you need 40 minutes to acutely recover from anything but the most advanced powerlifting/bodybuilding training, then something is deeply wrong.

Yeah, and most of the time I feel amazing after gym.

One definitely should aim to eat well and sleep enough, but that's generally true anyway.

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Post by Cthulhu_ » Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 9:57 AM UTC

kergonath wrote: post #241

roflc0ptic wrote: post #102

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Since the pandemic started, my interactions with strangers of the opposite sex have been quite curtailed. Last week a vague acquaintance in my condo complex, 35 years my senior, stopped me and spent a good 30 seconds telling me how blue my eyes looked, and musing on how my outfit made them stand out especially. On the one hand, this is weirdly objectifying, and I kind of wish she had the slightest interest in who I a…

Nice story (first paragraph; third paragraph rings all too true). I don't think being told you have beautiful eyes is necessarily objectifying, though.

Objectification is where you disregard all aspects of a person in favor of what they look like; the word literally means treating a person like an object. Think posters of swimsuit models on the walls.

Anyway like another person in this thread mentioned, while it's shit, at the same time it feels nice to get complimented on a feature of yours, especially if it's a novel experience. I've never felt like I was particularly attractive, because I got zero feedback on my appearance during my formative years - good OR bad. But I'm in my mid thirties now and my girlfriend has the hots for me, so that's nice :D.

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Post by Cthulhu_ » Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 9:59 AM UTC

temporallobe wrote: post #122

rmah wrote: post #82

I usually don't read articles like this, but it was so well written that I was sort of sucked into it. What was most interesting to me was not the various controversies about body aesthetics or even health consequences. What stood out to me was the author's description in the early parts of the article of how much she seemed to crave the approval of strangers, especially men. It was thought provoking and I'm still pr…

Wanting affirmation from and to be attracted by others around you (total strangers included) is basic human nature. It’s why we adorn ourselves with clothing and perfume, not to mention our skin and hair, whatever gender you are. I am a male and always want to seem attractive in physique and in character to the opposite sex, and even in some level to the same sex. My wife insists she doesn’t care what other people th…

Honestly, a shower in the morning, a brush and maybe some product and being reasonably healthy already puts you at a great advantage over others. It doesn't take two hours of Bateman level prep (unless you aim to supermodel levels), or a life dedicated to sports.