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Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by valuearb »

hashbig wrote: post #164
chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

I remember very well as a middle eastern how ISIS was freely allowed to use Twitter, Facebook and Youtube for recruitment and propaganda in 2015 and none of those platforms did anything about it. Also just today this story was on the front page in HN: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/06/technology/myanmar-facebo... So spare us all the "No hate and violence on our platform" BS. Either you go after all hate and violence…

Whataboutism! Whataboutism!

The fact that a platform didn’t do the right thing before, doesn’t mean it can’t do it now.

What, you came out of the womb with perfect understanding of right from wrong?

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Post by shrimpx »

clarkmoody wrote: post #63

The great irony here is that these de-platformings are only concerned with non-state violence (or so they claim). There is no censorship of people advocating for disarming the entire population (using political violence) or depriving them of property (again, using state power). And as far as I can tell, none of the politicians who initiate and perpetuate war are de-platformed.

Isn’t trump’s deplatforming contradicting your statement?

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Post by swiperNoSwiping »

feels like the US people is asking for ruler like CCP, is it all what you want? Parler is likely not innocent, but why it's Amazon to take them down? Is that mean all these big companies can shutdown any customers on their platforms for some reasons they believed are right, but what if they use it to shutdown competitions?

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Post by Kaze404 »

explorigin wrote: post #70
mgkimsal wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I poked around on it some, and noticed something ... disturbing. I saw what I assumed were bots posting a lot of garbage links to 'articles' like "Obama compound raided!" and "8 Democrats switch to Republican Party" (that actually happened in Feb 2020, but the link was to an undated rerun and the link was posted.. 2 days ago?). The links were to such trustworthy sites as 'firstusanews.us' (made up, but all variants l…

I was also curious about Parler but, when going to sign up, it asked for my phone number. Ummmm, no thank you. That kind of association is like going to a protest with your cellphone. Pretty easy to get the wrong kind of association attached to you.

> That kind of association is like going to a protest with your cellphone. Pretty easy to get the wrong kind of association attached to you.

"We're in! We're in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!"

https://www.businessinsider.com/derrick-evans-capitol-siege-...

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Post by jeffreyrogers »

DickingAround wrote: post #260
jeffreyrogers wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that none of the other options want their business (though I have no doubt that Google and probably Microsoft would also exclude them). It's that you can't just switch platforms within days, while you could go order another cake since there's almost no time commitment to requesting a cake.

That is a mistake of getting a very ad-hoc contract and then doing something that creates a lot of risk of negative consequences (i.e. supporting the overthrow of a democracy). Honestly, this feels to me like just the best sort of stuff that private companies, and a world that relies on them does: Everyone likes but doesn't need those services. There's a lot of companies competing and the offering is great. If someon…

> i.e. supporting the overthrow of a democracy

Do you have evidence that Parler was involved in the storming of the Capitol building? Glenn Greenwald says it was not involved.

> Everyone likes but doesn't need those services

Well the employees of the company sure need them if they want to pay their mortgages, buy food, etc.

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Post by jimktrains2 »

garyclarke27 wrote: post #67

This vicious lethal (effectively kills Parler) action by Amazon - driven by a mob of woke employees - will cause long term damage to AWS. I had plans to use AWS for a potentially huge SAAS business, even though it is not likely to be contentious, just the thought of them being able to destroy everything overnight, without due process, without recourse - sends chills down my spine. I cannot now imagine, being able to…

They've always been able to. Its amusing that only now is this a concern when nothing has changed. Gcp has done the same for much less or nothing to people. Azure, do, linode, &c have always had their tos state that they can discontinue service for any reason.

This isn't some new threat. This is literally the way things have always been.

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Post by BlueTemplar »

verytrivial wrote: post #73

I find it slightly ironic that the fruits of the whole ARPANET project around network routing resilience in the face of node failure due to enemy attack (domestic or foreign) ends up threatening the health of the Republic because we can no longer tell who is an ememy (domestic or foreign) on the resilient network.

Note that Parler is screwed because some "nodes" have reached a disproportionate importance.

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Post by Faark »

partiallypro wrote: post #212
valuearb wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’d likely be wrong. You have to meet your conspirators on public platforms or in public places before you can switch to private communications.

I just said they probably were on private Facebook groups, once you meet there you can branch out to Signal and WeChat, etc. My point is that you don't see calls to ban those apps, but everyone is celebrating Parler's death. I think everyone should be careful what they wish for.

Equating private with public messaging is ridiculous. Not sure how laws are in the US, but when doing support here in germany we had to have private in-game messages reported by a participant before we were even allowed to look at them. The company obviously had a much easier time shaping the atmosphere in the public forum.

Also while ensuring those tools can never be used for "evil" is unreasonable, we should expect dominant players to do what they can or at least not do a lot worse than everyone else. Are you arguing Parler tried to moderate as much as others?

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Post by r00fus »

danmaz74 wrote: post #266
chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

In the early noughties I really believed that free speech online would work with just a very light moderation. We tried that approach with a rather small online community for an Italian political party where already all participants had pretty similar ideas. What I learned the hard way (as hard as having light PSTD) in the course of 3 years is that just doesn't work. You only need a handful of motivated people who wo…

So to actually use the massive information and connection we get through the Internet, moderation is key.

It's really a cultivation effort - otherwise your "idea garden" will be overrun with weeds and pests.

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