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Re: I logged my activities at 15-minute intervals for the whole year

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you had a year to live, you would definitely want to be productive. You'd be surprised. That's more of rat-race-disease artifact, where a person is measured by their "achievements" and "success" (as opposed to being intristically worth). Many people of many peoples would want to either relax, love and be with family, or enjoy themselves (and more likely a healthy combination of the two).

And unless you're completely free of obligations, you'd want to maximize the time you spent "relaxing, loving and being with family, or enjoying yourself". This requires some thought and effort - and that's precisely being productivity / optimizing your life.

That's basically an alternate take on Maslow's Pyramid of needs. [1]

However, it's a model which isn't free of criticisms. For instance:

> In their extensive review of research based on Maslow's hierarchy, Wahba and Bridwell found little evidence for the ranking of needs that Maslow described or for the existence of a definite hierarchy at all. [2]

or

> Maslow's hierarchy of needs fails to illustrate and expand upon the difference between the social and intellectual needs of those raised in individualistic societies and those raised in collectivist societies. The needs and drives of those in individualistic societies tend to be more self-centered than those in collectivist societies, focusing on improvement of the self, with self-actualization being the apex of self-improvement. In collectivist societies, the needs of acceptance and community will outweigh the needs for freedom and individuality. [3]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs [2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/003050... [3] https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Maslow%27s-Hierarchy-o...

Your statement also hides an assumption:

> unless you're completely free of obligations

Your obligations might be different from my obligations. And then there's the question who determines those obligations. Those same family and friends? Employers? A legal framework? Cultural norms and values? Religion even? To what extent are those truly set in stone? And to what extent are many mundane obligations a figment of your own mind? Something you subconsciously force upon yourself to make sense of the world and maintain your own identity? And how does all of this tie into a philosophical tradition of discussing determinism and free will?

The same is also true when it comes to "enjoying yourself". Ultimately, what one person enjoys on their own accord could feel like an absolute requirement or obligation to someone else. Context matters a ton in that regard.

For instance, you might live in a context where you love making artisan bread as a hobby or a pass time. Something you don't need to do - you can easily buy bread - but something you do simply because it brings you happiness. And at the same time, there are people for who making bread at home is something they have to do if they want to food on the table, which turns this into an obligation.

> This requires some thought and effort - and that's precisely being productivity / optimizing your life.

Talking about productivity and optimization only works when you do so in a concrete context. When you discuss priorities, and, crucially, acknowledge that the next person will have different priorities from you simply because their life is uniquely different from yours.

Tracking time and assigning value to what you do with each hour of your life can be worthwhile, but it can only empower you if you are also intrinsically motivated to engage in an activity.

It's perfectly reasonable to track the time you spend reading books, and set a goal to spend more time, reading more books in 2021 compared by last year. It's unreasonable to expect that this line of reasoning applies to everyone.

Plenty people read simply because they enjoy reading, but they feel absolutely no need to track the number of books they have read, or put an utilitarian meaning or assign economic value to how much they read.

Re: I logged my activities at 15-minute intervals for the whole year

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Interesting! I personally have used for the last 30 months the app called Time Tracker. Each second of every day is tracked, the timer goes on continuously and I just change the current activity. Looking back at it at the end of the year is surprisingly a double-edged sword... You are hit with a high knowing how much time you spent on work, working out, reading, socializing, etc.. But then you get hit with the downsi…

How does that work? You open the app before you start every activity and labels it? Even mundane ones like changing clothes? Do you account for the time you spend logging things in this app? How can you keep sanity having to open an app every time you start a different activity?

The app is open in the background constantly, and you already have predefined the activities so you just press on it and that's it, it literally takes a second.

As for the sanity of it, it just becomes a habit like any other, e.g. you check for your keys when leaving your house, you just also check on the app the correct activity.

Re: I logged my activities at 15-minute intervals for the whole year

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post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Italy? Italy's not a third world country... Do you have any proof for that?

I think this might be what parent is referring to: https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/20187... Although as far as I can see, the paper has not been peer reviewed yet (but it's also quite old)

Yeah, but I wasn't talking about isolated cases and small regions and centenarians. I'm talking about whole countries and big regions:

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistical-atlas/gis/viewer/?...

If you go strictly by the numbers, Scandinavia or Germany should be at the top: higher GDP, higher salaries, higher HDI (maybe even quite far away at the top).

Yet that doesn't happen: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/E...

The top 5 regions in the EU for life expectancy, both male and female, are in Southern Europe.

Re: I logged my activities at 15-minute intervals for the whole year

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post #49

I am always baffled how sad this extreme focus into productivity makes me. If you discovered you were going to die in a year, would you continue to spend all your time being "productive"? I figure almost everyone would shift all their focus on doing things that "really matter". Sadly I believe the world managed to make us feel guilty when we're not doing something that makes someone else rich (majority of jobs). I'm…

But on the other hand, if you knew you have a year to live would you save for retirement? Life is always a balance between now and the future

Re: I logged my activities at 15-minute intervals for the whole year

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From TFA: > I knew I was spending quite a lot of it on social media, but I wasn't sure how much exactly. I also knew I was working quite a lot and wanted to quantify exactly how much (spoiler alert: not that much). I hoped that keeping track of what I do would help me to identify chunks of time that were being wasted and to turn them into quality time. Tracking time doesn't inherently have to be to optimize for "maki…

I'll raise my head above the parapet and admit that I don't get it. How about just scheduling things? If you want to spend more time on things that matter, just pick a date and time, and get going. That said, perhaps the alluring part was gathering data on one's self.

Not everyone is able to stick to a schedule. This can be for internal reasons such as akrasia as the sibling comment mentions or for external reasons due to being in chaotic environment and not being able to change that.

Re: I logged my activities at 15-minute intervals for the whole year

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also sex. It is not mentioned in the schedule. Under socialising?

How about human function?

She goes on to call these 'the boring stuff', so hopefully not.

I would go with 'other quality time' or 'exercising'. Of course she might be asexual or just not willing to log any time spent on that topic.

Personally, I would give it its own category, just because it's such an interesting data point with regards to frequency and seasonal variations. Higher libido during summer holidays? More advanced snuggling on cold winter days?

Re: I logged my activities at 15-minute intervals for the whole year

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Hi, I agree with your view. And over a couple of years of (failed) scheduling/optimizing techniques, I learned a thing or two that I would like to share. The approach OP used in her article is undoubtedly, a great way of looking at your footprints. I used to do a similar (revising over time) thing, but looking back on how much time i "wasted" and how little i was "productive", was not worth the effort. Over time, I'v…

Thank you for sharing this anecdote, it neatly fits in with a revelation that has been slowly unfolding in me over the last 6 months, graduating from my burnout stage of youth into a mores sustainable and enjoyable way of being and working. Do your 3 sections have time limits? As in, the morning section is confined to 2/3 hours, the second section 8 hours and X hours for the 'freestyle' final section?

Hi, First of all, thank you for taking interest! > Do your 3 sections have time limits? No, as this would be against the fundamental idea of my approach. Usually, the first section (or "the morning drill", as i call it) lasts till breakfast. After usual morning stuff, if i have time left, i browse social media, tunein to a ted talk, check mails. After Breakfast, second section goes as long as there are tasks left to be done. It may be just a couple of hours, or the whole day. Then there is section three, which is nothing much to plan about. Before going to bed, I prefer writing a log/diary and setting up tasks for the next day.

Re: I logged my activities at 15-minute intervals for the whole year

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Should 'travel' really be a category? Won't 'time spent in buses/cars/planes etc', unless driving them, always also be time spent 'idle', 'procrastinating', 'culture>books', or one of the others?

This sort of thing is what always stops me or is the problem I hit in categorising anything. Labels/tags are the usual solution, but that doesn't really work in this case, since you can't then say how you spent your time using a 365 days per 360 degree pie chart or whatever.

Re: I logged my activities at 15-minute intervals for the whole year

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post #49

I am always baffled how sad this extreme focus into productivity makes me. If you discovered you were going to die in a year, would you continue to spend all your time being "productive"? I figure almost everyone would shift all their focus on doing things that "really matter". Sadly I believe the world managed to make us feel guilty when we're not doing something that makes someone else rich (majority of jobs). I'm…

Those aren't mutually exclusive. For me being "productive" means not wasting my limited time on something that doesn't really matter. "Productivity" does not equal "making as much money as possible at every moment of your life".
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