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The Internet Is for Porn

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Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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> That it hollows out the sanctity of this intimate and symbolic act. See that's the problem. We as a society need to stop putting sex on a pedestal. It's just sex. Pleasure is pleasure, why would anyone not want to be pleasured? And why is pleasure something that has to be earned ? It is very simple to give and receive pleasure, why complicate that?

Perhaps because many communities deeply believe sex is more than just for pleasure?

¿Por qué no los dos?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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post #226

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This. The debates in the US sound ridiculous to me. It's like the US is a first world country full of people from a few centuries ago.

I mean. That statement tracks pretty well if you look at our government, where the elderly are represented in elected offices at double or even triple their actual share of the population. According to the 2010 census Americans over 65 make up under 15% of... well, Americans[0], but currently occupy 147 seats in the House (out of a possible 435) and 48 in the Senate (out of 100), along with executive branches in 15 s…

It’s less bad than that. 24% in the 2010 census were under 18 and 9.9% were 18–24.

I don’t put those under “should be in Congress”, and constitutionally they’re not allowed to be until 25. So it is 13 percentage points out of 66 percentage points — about 20% of the population with 34% of the seats in the house.

Senators have to be 30 so the over 65 crowd would be an even greater share there.

Given that experience probably gives you _something_, it’s still out of whack but not crazy.

All of that said, personally I believe it’s far too skewed and we should have an age cap in Congress.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

#283

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> People dislike drug comsumers because they feel drugs are a cheat: you get unearned pleasure without having to work for it. While I can certainly imagine someone feeling this way, I've never thought this and I've never heard anyone express this perspective. I think you may be imagining too hard .

I've seen this take a few times. It's common, at least in my bubble.

I don't doubt that, but it definitely seems "fringe", while OP was presenting this as the general zeitgeist.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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> [About SV] An observer might note that all of these companies are dominated by men, in an industry dominated by men, tightly interwoven with a venture capital industry that is super-dominated by men. So it’s curious why none of these men have shown any interest in addressing the massive and lucrative sex work industry that overwhelmingly serves, well, men; until you consider who pays the real costs of that industry…

Welcome to 2020 where identity politics is the name of the game. It seems everything these days can be explained based on your race/gender and yet this is supposedly the most "woke" time ever. Cue the downvotes.

I want you to know that any downvotes might have less to do with 2020 or identity politics and more so your sloppy style of conversation. Throwing out a wildly undifferentiated blanket statement and ending on a passive aggressive "cue the downvotes" is bad content in my opinion.

It enjoy being subjected to different views. I hope we can uphold a certain standard for expressing them around here.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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> Willingly sell self for pleasure though? Psh Having been in a sector of fintech that many sex workers used, I can say with confidence that the majority of the women within were single moms who simply couldn't or didn't have access to the social net to feed their children and aren't doing it because they want to. It was entirely eye-opening to see how sad it is when you're talking with a young women trying to sell t…

> Whereas in Europe and Asia nudity is completely accepted in many public areas, and sex work is tolerated, legal and is just another, albeit uncommon, thing people do for a living and nothing more This is way overemphasized on the Internet by people who don't have much experience with living in Europe. It's similar to Europeans imagining that in the US it's an everyday thing that people are dying left and right beca…

> Why is it always poorer Eastern European Polish

seriously?

I didn't even know that there are (popular) porn stars from my country, yet alone on the top of lists

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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post #87

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Sorry to go off-topic, but I had not come across the concept of Indian city tiers before, and found it interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_Indian_citie...

fwiw, the usual usage of the term (as in the above comment) is not the same as the highly specific government usage that the wiki page described. The usual usage is just: Tier 1: Metro cities, the ones you've likely heard of. Mumbai, Bangalore, Delhi etc. Tier 2: Cities, but much smaller population-wise. These are the cities that are getting newer airports for eg. Most state-capitals would fall here. These count up t…

Yes, same with China. Tier 1 = Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou. Tier 2 is debatable but also cities have lot of economic activity / people that you would have heard of.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

#287
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I think that the argument is that male tech workers consume porn as much as other men and therefore solving issues of porn industry could be solving issues they have too. E.g. selfishness of tech males should lead them to care about porn. Your contra argument implicitly assumes that tech makes are special kind of males that don't use porn.

The argument holds no water and it is pretty disgusting of this uber-for-porn pimp to pretend he is doing good. Porn is like weed. If you want to consume it ethically you need to verify your sources. These cam sites have their own serious exploitation issues that are completely being ignored. If you go on reddit you can find many threads discussing cam girls who are suspected to either be underage or be literal sex s…

Like weed, which many people actually grow themselves?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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post #226

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This. The debates in the US sound ridiculous to me. It's like the US is a first world country full of people from a few centuries ago.

I mean. That statement tracks pretty well if you look at our government, where the elderly are represented in elected offices at double or even triple their actual share of the population. According to the 2010 census Americans over 65 make up under 15% of... well, Americans[0], but currently occupy 147 seats in the House (out of a possible 435) and 48 in the Senate (out of 100), along with executive branches in 15 s…

Sure, but the implication that congressional representation should closely track percentage of the population is ludicrous. I mean, according to a quick Google search, nearly 40% of Americans are under age 30, the minimum age for a US Senator. Should we be mad none of them are Senators, or heck, that not one of the nearly a quarter of Americans who are under 18 (aka children) are in Congress?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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> [About SV] An observer might note that all of these companies are dominated by men, in an industry dominated by men, tightly interwoven with a venture capital industry that is super-dominated by men. So it’s curious why none of these men have shown any interest in addressing the massive and lucrative sex work industry that overwhelmingly serves, well, men; until you consider who pays the real costs of that industry…

This feminist take was definitely uncalled for in this article. The author's bias about how the women, _who are actually getting monetarily compensated_, are the victims completely misses the costs to the purchasers, who are almost all men, in terms of their money and the neurologic changes that such sex work consumption has. Having the "algorithm" suggesting and enticing these men back to buy more subscriptions / pi…

No one put a gun to that guy's head, society won't even ask him any questions about nor assume what he does in his personal time, whereas that same politeness doesn't extend to sex workers. That's just the tip of the iceberg as far as the difference between these two goes, as I see it
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