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Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

zaphirplane wrote: post #160
beagle3 wrote: post #42

Likely irrelevant, but reminded me of this[0]: """Basically, we’re moving because of William Whyte‘s rule: virtually all corporate relocations involve a move to a location which is closer to the CEO’s home than the old location. Whyte discovered this principle after an extensive study of Fortune 500 companies that left New York City for the suburbs in the 1950s and 1960s""" Tesla will likely move its HQ to Texas foll…

Interesting, somehow I don’t think how companies where run in the 1950-1960 translates to today Look at the google ML firing/resigning storm, in the 50s someone fired end of story not the CEO saying they will investigate (honesty transparency aside)

Aside from this being a somewhat strange example to bring up, it's not true.

See, for example, http://online.ceb.com/CalCases/CA2/174CA2d184.htm, a Supreme Court case concerning wrongful termination from 1959.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by rsync »

jeffbee wrote: post #266
rsync wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Go to Wyoming or Idaho and people feel the same way. California has unfortunately been exporting its ridiculous cost of living and lifestyle to the American west for decades, Austin is just the latest to feel it." It seems like that but the actual phenomenon is simply the slow, increasing urbanization of the United States. There are, of course, actual Californians moving into places like Austin and Bend and Colorado…

Meanwhile Minneapolis is handling their housing crisis much better than we are. They responded to rising housing prices by liberalizing their zoning code in the hopes of attracting more construction. Portland has done the same thing this year by legalizing the construction of multi-family dwellings on almost any parcel in town. This, of course, is also the secret to Houston's low cost of living. California today is,…

"They responded to rising housing prices by liberalizing their zoning code in the hopes of attracting more construction."

Yes, that is what I was referring to when I spoke of an "anti-zoning housing movement". That is a political movement that, I believe, has its roots in California.

And yes, I agree with you that it has progressed further in Minneapolis than it has in, for instance, the Bay Area.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by jeffbee »

rsync wrote: post #282
jeffbee wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile Minneapolis is handling their housing crisis much better than we are. They responded to rising housing prices by liberalizing their zoning code in the hopes of attracting more construction. Portland has done the same thing this year by legalizing the construction of multi-family dwellings on almost any parcel in town. This, of course, is also the secret to Houston's low cost of living. California today is,…

"They responded to rising housing prices by liberalizing their zoning code in the hopes of attracting more construction." Yes, that is what I was referring to when I spoke of an "anti-zoning housing movement". That is a political movement that, I believe, has its roots in California. And yes, I agree with you that it has progressed further in Minneapolis than it has in, for instance, the Bay Area.

I was both agreeing and disagreeing. In MN they have an "anti-zoning housing movement" but in CA we still have an "anti-housing zoning movement".

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by cghendrix »

chrisseaton wrote: post #257
lotsofpulp wrote: post #34

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> That being said, I know a couple of people who work there and they don't like their job I’m not surprised. I haven’t met anyone who deals with Oracle because they want to, only because they have to.

Oracle was a fantastic place to work for me. I had a private locking office with a mountain view as an intern - many people on here say they'd kill for that kind of respect and working environment! And they paid me a full senior salary while I did my PhD. Really can't argue with that.

I also had that experience at apple. For two weeks. Then was moved into a shitty shared cubicle. Don’t miss working there.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by jeffbee »

gabagool wrote: post #280
jeffbee wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About 60k people moved from CA to AZ last year (latest available data), making it the #2 destination. Of course, California is also by far the largest destination of people who move out of Arizona. They are adjacent states after all and Phoenix is, let's face it, basically in Los Angeles already.

What was #1? TX?

Yep. The state-to-state flow tables for 2019 are at:

https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/geograp... [an XLS file]

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by core-questions »

zaphirplane wrote: post #160
beagle3 wrote: post #42

Likely irrelevant, but reminded me of this[0]: """Basically, we’re moving because of William Whyte‘s rule: virtually all corporate relocations involve a move to a location which is closer to the CEO’s home than the old location. Whyte discovered this principle after an extensive study of Fortune 500 companies that left New York City for the suburbs in the 1950s and 1960s""" Tesla will likely move its HQ to Texas foll…

Interesting, somehow I don’t think how companies where run in the 1950-1960 translates to today Look at the google ML firing/resigning storm, in the 50s someone fired end of story not the CEO saying they will investigate (honesty transparency aside)

They're not really going to investigate. Then as now, people say what they have to, and then wait for it to go down the memory hole.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by DoofusOfDeath »

icelancer wrote: post #254
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd caution making this conclusion. Trump was a huge driver of turnout. I don't think the republican party is quite as strong without him on the ticket.

>> Trump was a huge driver of turnout. I don't think the republican party is quite as strong without him on the ticket. Neither are the Democrats without a clear enemy. Many left-leaning people voted Biden as an anti-Trump vote.

For anecdata, I'm right-leaning and I too voted for Biden because he isn't trump.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by imbnwa »

One thing that comes to mind in all this relocation commotion is that California isn't just a bureaucratic hassle but its actual physical environment is becoming a health hazard

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by pram »

jeffbee wrote: post #15
ilaksh wrote: post #3

Is _this_ the point where everyone and their grandpa has finally figured out that Austin is cool, and therefore it is automatically not cool anymore? What's the next hip town?

Austin has been dead since 1990. I leave it to you to remember why.

pretty harsh to blame austin dying on richard linklater!
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