Live data from Hacker News

San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

smchealth.org

281–290 of 292 posts

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

#281
post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are paying nurses up to $10k per week to travel and work in covid wards. Let me assure you, in America, we have a great shortage of skilled healthcare workers.

And yet the hospital laying off and furloughing worker

No it isn’t

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

#282
post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is bad reasoning. If everyone produces less by the same amount, then even if you produce no less than the next person, the overall production has gone down.

This assumes public schools are so efficient that losing be 8% will be impactful? I just don’t see it.

I am worried about socialization besides schooling.

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

#283
post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My opinion is that people are tired of the orders and that they will not change people’s behaviors.

So we should give up and let the hospitals collapse and an extra few tens of thousands of California residents die?

I was not expressing an opinion as to what to do. Rather I was expressing how I thought people will behave.

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

#284
post #192
post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is dense, multi family housing and having to work at jobs that expose you to other people. It isn’t directly race or age.

Well, yeah, those are the factors for which race and age (and wealth) serve a pretty direct proxy in the U.S.

It is flawed lens. For instance there are poor Asian subgroups and there are poor in otherwise rich groups.

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

#285
post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This assumes public schools are so efficient that losing be 8% will be impactful? I just don’t see it.

I am worried about socialization besides schooling.

Yes-- both general socialization with peers and social adaptation to the classroom.

Even the 12 year olds I work with who had many years of schooling have had to readapt to meet (greatly relaxed) expectations for in person instruction with several missed months. A whole bunch of 2nd graders with a wasted end of Kinder and 1st grade year is going to be chaotic.

Depression is on a big swing upwards. And there's kids in difficult situations who are not receiving help from caring teachers and social workers. There is going to be impact that lasts for a long, long time.

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

#286
post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately i'm about 160 years too late - the zest was added by Darwin. Covid itself is a result of such accelerated selection performed in that Wuhan lab - what is called "gain of function" experiments. A natural example of a global virus evolution phenomenon was observed in the 2nd wave of Spanish flu - that strain was mostly killing by causing hyper-reaction of immune system and especially in the healthy 20-50…

I'd like to see actual evidence that Covid does in fact come from "gain of function" experiments in the Wuhan lab. So far as I could see, your reference doesn't do that.

Considering 1. the concerns that had been raised about that research in general (and so such a research was halted in US, and US granted funds to that research in Wuhan instead) as well as about safety specifically in those Wuhan labs and 2. exceptional coincidence in time and space I think the onus in on the labs to prove it isn't their virus or at least come maximally open about their situation. If anything we've so far observed completely opposite - there is absolutely no credible information nor about the labs and the related research nor about virus origination investigation.

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

#287
post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My opinion is that people are tired of the orders and that they will not change people’s behaviors.

What makes you think this is a belief held by a large number of people, rather than a vocal minority?

I am not so much looking at what people are saying rather I am looking at how people are behaving. People are much more relaxed and take time to shop. Some downtowns are quite busy with foot traffic. Those areas have people walking around without masks (supposedly eating or drinking). It is hard to socially distance in those areas.

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

#288
post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to see actual evidence that Covid does in fact come from "gain of function" experiments in the Wuhan lab. So far as I could see, your reference doesn't do that.

Considering 1. the concerns that had been raised about that research in general (and so such a research was halted in US, and US granted funds to that research in Wuhan instead) as well as about safety specifically in those Wuhan labs and 2. exceptional coincidence in time and space I think the onus in on the labs to prove it isn't their virus or at least come maximally open about their situation. If anything we've s…

You made the claim that "Covid itself is a result of such accelerated selection performed in that Wuhan lab - what is called 'gain of function' experiments." Not "might be". You said "is".

When I asked you for evidence, you try to reverse the burden of proof. No, you made the claim, you're the one who's supposed to prove something.

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

#289
post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While it's still going to be a very real number, I think you are overestimating the number of deaths considerably. I appreciate that you provided a link, but I don't think that source includes the information you would need to make the estimate you are looking for. First, I think that you are implicitly assuming that there are an equal number of people in each age category. In addition to the percentages you quote, y…

I simply did percent_dead times num_dead/percent_cases times num_cases. That leads to ~0.5%. I agree with you that IFR is unknowable without very thorough sero-survey. So all we have is CFR to go on. The ratio depends on population age and test availability etc.

This is a great thread [1] that goes through the IFR estimation and relative risk of dying due to COVID for various age groups. Bad news for me (45-54 age group) my risk of dying goes up to 1.7x if I get covid.

[1] https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1336841354253541377

Re: San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

#290

So, this post suggests that lockdowns don't "work": among other things, a lockdown may create reactance causing people to not not only avoid changing their behaviors to reduce risk, it may even make some perform behaviors to increase risk, to themselves and others. It's just disappointing that, if true, the opposite doesn't work. If only this happened: the gov says "We choose to do no lockdowns, and just have a list…

It worked like this in Slovakia, during the first wave. Government told people not to buy masks, people started making their own masks from cloth and selling them to neighbors. Cities started closing schools. Supermarkets limited the number of people allowed in the shop at the same time. Only later government made this mandatory across the whole country. People acted rationally, and I think Slovakia had the lowest infection per capita in whole Europe.

And then somehow everything got wrong during summer. Ironically, because almost no one got sick during the first wave, it became popular to believe that the entire pandemic is just made up by evil Western media. People took vacations all across the world, and in September shared the viruses at schools, which were no longer closed because "education is important".

In the beginning of September, the situation was worse than ever during the first wave, and the government did nothing. In October it was 20 times higher, and in the beginning of Novermber the goverment finally woke up and imposed some half-assed measures, which at least keep the infection rate constant (i.e. still 20 times higher than during the first wave).

Not sure what is the lesson here. Perhaps that reverse psychology can work for a while... and then it may revert again. Because if it is cool to be a contrarian and oppose the government, soon this opposition becomes the new normal, and then it becomes cool to oppose what was done yesterday. And also that the better you protect yourself against a disease, the more people will believe the disease was not real.

Post reply on HN