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World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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> Instead, a laser beam burns a 0.3mm-wide hole in the shell. Then, air pressure is applied to the shell exterior, pushing a drop of fluid out of the hole. The process takes one second per egg and enables fluid to be collected from eggs without touching them.

This seems counterintuitive. If the external pressure is equally applied around the egg, what forces the fluid to escape?

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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I started this year with a couple dozen chickens, a motley crew of heritage breeds. Our (formerly 3) roosters definitely started showing aggression before 6 months. Furthermore, the repeated mounting of the hens is pretty abusive - chicken sex, I'm sorry to say, is pretty much rape. That said, as you noted, on an industrial scale you would separate the roosters. But it's not clear that there's any market at all for r…

I'm surprised you noticed the aggression before 6 months. It's actually hard to even identify roosters as roosters in the first few months. They don't develop their physical traits fully for some time. Re: birds and rape, wait til you see ducks... I should note that there are roosters and then there are roosters. We had a really amazing one, a well bred barred rock who was a real gentleman. They have an important rol…

I should also mention another neat role roosters have: they mediate conflict. We got a rooster because our hens were picking on each other. That stopped once we got him. He even used to sit between the conflicting hens on the perch at night.

Also a good rooster will find food for the hens, and call them over to it. Ours used to find bugs and then make this cute "coo coo coo" and they'd come running, and eat while he watched and waited to take his turn.

sniff miss our guy. I think we'll get a new rooster in the spring, maybe a really neat looking bantam.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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> Instead, a laser beam burns a 0.3mm-wide hole in the shell. Then, air pressure is applied to the shell exterior, pushing a drop of fluid out of the hole. The process takes one second per egg and enables fluid to be collected from eggs without touching them. This seems counterintuitive. If the external pressure is equally applied around the egg, what forces the fluid to escape?

I would assume the external pressure causes the shell to elastically deform so that it contains less volume, hence a drop of fluid is squeezed out.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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I value ethics and empathy deeply but, I don't understand vegans and vegetarians. Their biggest line of defense is "animals are alive and they have feelings and senses, we abuse them for food". That's sadly right. And they implicitly say that "eating plants are OK because, plants are not animals and they're just happen to grow. They don't feel, they don't understand". On the contrary, there's a growing mountain of re…

I was with you until

> Moreover, most hardcore ones suggest that we don't ever need meat to thrive or live a healthy life however, we've evolved that far because we consumed meat. Meat made us and, same people are ignorant of this fact.

That's just flat-out untrue. Meals would be less delicious and you'd have to plan a bit better to get certain nutrients (B12) but healthy life is absolutely possible on a vegan diet. And even more so on a lacto-vegetarian diet (one of the most ripped guys I know is lacto-veg).

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Hacker News, where technology > empathy

I value ethics and empathy deeply but, I don't understand vegans and vegetarians. Their biggest line of defense is "animals are alive and they have feelings and senses, we abuse them for food". That's sadly right. And they implicitly say that "eating plants are OK because, plants are not animals and they're just happen to grow. They don't feel, they don't understand". On the contrary, there's a growing mountain of re…

Most vegans and vegetarians are well aware of the "but plants have feelings tho" argument. It's actually one of the most common arguments that people who like to "gotcha" vegans will bring up.

The fact that plants can have subconcious reactions to stimuli does not mean they are sentient beings. These reactions are more akin to when you subconciously kick when a doctor hits a hammer on your knee.

Plants do not have a central nervous system nor do they feel pain in the same way animals do. In an evolutionary sense, pain is useful for animals because it tells us to deliberately move and avoid that pain, plants are obviously not able to do this.

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As a real vegan (not a meme about vegans that you saw from meat eaters) I can confidently tell you that "animals are alive and they have feelings and senses, we abuse them for food" is not my biggest line of defense. My biggest lines of defense are: * Dr. Kim Williams, former president of the American College of Cardiology, said "there are two kinds of cardiologists, vegans, and those who haven't read the data" * Ani…

Yours is probably the first comment I've seen that takes a rather logical approach. I'm an omnivore but always buy everything pasture raised and mostly local. Where not local, I order from farms listed on eatwild.com. The obvious hit is cost, but that means I eat less of it. Eventually, humanity will have to accept that going vegan is the only sustainable method.

Yep, plant based diets aren’t a dogmatic all-or-nothing thing. You can still get a good portion of the benefits (health, ethical, and environmental) by cutting down on animal products even if you don’t cut them out completely. No need to let perfect be the enemy of good.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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> Nothing's ever enough for vegans. That's a weird complaint on a site about eternal disruption, eternal improvement of things that are basically fine already. I'm an omnivore, and I'm comfortable with it. But that doesn't keep me from recognizing the ethical issues with killing and controlling other beings to survive. I really appreciate people pushing the envelope on this. If I could eat basically the same diet but…

>But that doesn't keep me from recognizing the ethical issues with killing and controlling other beings to survive. Does that include plants?

Have you ever raised a garden or slaughtered an animal?

I would never hold it against you if you had not, I didn't for the first decades of my life, but anyone who has done both of those things and tries to equate them is not being intellectually honest. Or has the emotional capacity of a potato, which I posit is strictly less than the emotional capacity of a chicken.

Again, if you haven't done either of those things, that is OK. I do however encourage others to do so, because I have gained so much appreciation and understanding for what it takes to keep individuals, and therefore the world, fed.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Hacker News, where technology > empathy

I value ethics and empathy deeply but, I don't understand vegans and vegetarians. Their biggest line of defense is "animals are alive and they have feelings and senses, we abuse them for food". That's sadly right. And they implicitly say that "eating plants are OK because, plants are not animals and they're just happen to grow. They don't feel, they don't understand". On the contrary, there's a growing mountain of re…

You know that it takes more plants to raise animals than it does to just eat the plants directly, right? So even if you believe your argument that plants feel pain just like animals do then it's preferable to go vegan.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I value ethics and empathy deeply but, I don't understand vegans and vegetarians. Their biggest line of defense is "animals are alive and they have feelings and senses, we abuse them for food". That's sadly right. And they implicitly say that "eating plants are OK because, plants are not animals and they're just happen to grow. They don't feel, they don't understand". On the contrary, there's a growing mountain of re…

As a real vegan (not a meme about vegans that you saw from meat eaters) I can confidently tell you that "animals are alive and they have feelings and senses, we abuse them for food" is not my biggest line of defense. My biggest lines of defense are: * Dr. Kim Williams, former president of the American College of Cardiology, said "there are two kinds of cardiologists, vegans, and those who haven't read the data" * Ani…

These are all reasons why I consider going vegetarian. I'd still eat honey, though, so not vegan.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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I think I want to become vegan ... again

A lot more animals are killed to raise plants/vegetation. And I'm not talking a little more, I'm talking 1000X more. What will you do now?

We grow plants to feed the animals we raise for food. This is far less efficient than eating the plants themselves, and it leads to more animals being killed for the reasons you mention.
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