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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by DanBC »

SapporoChris wrote: post #274
kovek wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd rather cut this problem off at the head I don't understand what you mean by this! I know it's an expression or a way of saying something, but I don't understand what you mean

The meaning is to deal with a problem before it grows worse. There are a lot of variances to the expression, 'cutting it off at the head' 'Nip it in the bud' 'Cutting the problem at it's roots' They're all references to killing something before it grows more difficult to deal with.

Nipping in the bud is preventing a problem from getting worse.

Cutting the head off the snake is about removing the point of control from an organisation.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by 0xdeadbeefbabe »

bigbubba wrote: post #27
crumbshot wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And not even purged from the repo, it's still in the history if needed. Seems like the copyright holders making a big fuss over nothing really.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

Things could be much worse; it's remarkable they don't sue about being called a parasites.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by varispeed »

kovek wrote: post #254
kodah wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open question to HackerNews: are there big tech firms that give lobbying money to free software lobbyists? Feel free to highlight them here. I'd rather cut this problem off at the head than sit around and establish legal defense funds if possible. I'm glad GitHub and Microsoft could help contribute to this victory though.

> I'd rather cut this problem off at the head I don't understand what you mean by this! I know it's an expression or a way of saying something, but I don't understand what you mean

We need stop the existence of mafia like extortion rackets that claim they protect artists but in fact they line their own pockets and pockets of the labels and at the same time artists can't afford to even eat well.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by dspillett »

bigbubba wrote: post #220
GranPC wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The developers would release an update to circumvent the block.

Would they? They've not for Netflix, nor (to my knowledge) does youtube-dl support even the videos on youtube that you have to pay to watch.

> Would they?

I expect so.

> They've not for Netflix, nor (to my knowledge) does youtube-dl support even the videos on youtube that you have to pay to watch.

And that is the difference.

For paid content the user has entered into a contract and that probably stipulates what clients can be used to access the content. Same as with Netflix. Google could argue the same for non pay-walled youtube content but that would be very difficult to legally pull off I expect - they would essentially be effectively changing the licensing conditions of all that content. If they can't (easily) or won't (for PR reasons if nothing else) enforce it legally, then there is little point trying to enforce it technically.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by hunter2_ »

hardmath123 wrote: post #267

A gem in the EFF's letter ( https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/11/2020-11-1... ) > To borrow an analogy from literature, travelers come upon a door that has writing in a foreign language. When translated, the writing says "say 'friend' and enter." The travelers say "friend" and the door opens. As with the writing on that door, YouTube presents instructions on accessing video streams to everyone who comes…

I personally agree, but there are some interesting counter-examples. For example, if someone discloses the credentials to an account but says nobody is authorized to use those credentials, I think it violates the CFAA to use those credentials. Even more-so if they only tell you their username, but the password can be inferred without direct disclosure (e.g., if the username is "thepasswordishunter2").

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by ffpip »

disown wrote: post #258
toomuchtodo wrote: post #159

Say what you will about Github and Microsoft, this was a classy move. A million dollars is a million dollars. "Putting your money where your mouth is". "Nonetheless, developers who want to push back against unwarranted takedowns may face the risk of taking on personal liability and legal defense costs. To help them, GitHub will establish and donate $1M to a developer defense fund to help protect open source developer…

> A million dollars is a million dollars. Not if you are a company worth $1.6 trillion dollars. But that $1 million dollars probably bought them a lot more in free press. To put it into perspective, it would be like someone worth $1.6 million giving a homeless person $1, filming it, putting it on youtube and profiting off of it. > Thanks Microsoft/Github. Is this real? Edit: Of course the downvotes. Not sure if emplo…

> Not if you are a company worth $1.6 trillion dollars.

A million dollars is a million dollars even if the company is worth 100 trillion dollars.

Expected contribution to legal defense costs of developers - $0

Current contribution for legal defense costs of developers- $1 million

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by selimthegrim »

SapporoChris wrote: post #274
kovek wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd rather cut this problem off at the head I don't understand what you mean by this! I know it's an expression or a way of saying something, but I don't understand what you mean

The meaning is to deal with a problem before it grows worse. There are a lot of variances to the expression, 'cutting it off at the head' 'Nip it in the bud' 'Cutting the problem at it's roots' They're all references to killing something before it grows more difficult to deal with.

"cut he/she/it/them off at the pass"

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by varispeed »

boogies wrote: post #162
toomuchtodo wrote: post #159

Say what you will about Github and Microsoft, this was a classy move. A million dollars is a million dollars. "Putting your money where your mouth is". "Nonetheless, developers who want to push back against unwarranted takedowns may face the risk of taking on personal liability and legal defense costs. To help them, GitHub will establish and donate $1M to a developer defense fund to help protect open source developer…

I wonder how much MS funds the RIAA as a member of it.

If MS is a member of RIAA they should consider putting forward a motion to close it down or at very least leave it.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by wintorez »

ryanar wrote: post #184

It seems like EFF fought for youtube-dl and GitHub used their letter as legal firepower to bring the repo back online. If GitHub were fighting for the developer they would have funded the attorney, right? Though from their blog post it does look like they are taking steps to fund defense in the future as well as other steps to improve the situation. Reading EFFs claim is pretty interesting, they state that saving a c…

EEF deserves every penny of donation they receive.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by Rochus »

This is called "making a virtue out of necessity". I don't believe that Github actually needed the EFF's writing for this, or that they don't have the necessary technical expertise themselves. But at least they seem to have learned something from it now and want to review such requests technically before they (unjustifiably) act.
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