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Reasons to prefer Linux over Windows (2014)

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Re: Reasons to prefer Linux over Windows (2014)

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Some people want a Nespresso.

Some people want a bean to cup espresso machine with built in grinder. Others want something similar, but insist on a separate grinder and brewer.

Some people want to hand grind their beans then put them through an Aeropress, possibly while sitting in a field.

A handful of organizations will brew by the ton, freeze dry the results, and sell it on as a kind of brewing as a service product. It’s worse and better at the same time.

The fact that these are all called coffee is a simplification that makes most comparisons more complicated.

Re: Reasons to prefer Linux over Windows (2014)

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Trying to convince someone to use an OS seems so pointless. People who care about it already have strong opinions on the topic and everybody else just uses whatever comes with the machine they decided to buy.

For Linux users, it’s all about vendor support. More Linux users means that it actually becomes worth it for manufacturers to provide Linux support for their hardware.

Re: Reasons to prefer Linux over Windows (2014)

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Linux runs better on both new and older hardware. Better as in programs open faster, the file manager opens faster, the task manager opens faster. Everything uses less memory and less CPU cycles. Everything is snappier. Linux users don't have to worry nearly as much about malware, trojans, viruses, exploits. It's more secure. Linux distros generally don't annoy users with stealthy automatic forced updates. Linux dist…

> Linux runs better on both new and older hardware. This is very much debatable. What's true however is that if your HW is not supported by at least Windows 8.1 you're SoL. > Better as in programs open faster, the file manager opens faster, the task manager opens faster. Everything uses less memory and less CPU cycles. Everything is snappier. I haven't observed any slow downs in Windows 10 for ages. As for "less memo…

Parent author reporting back. I am going to have to sort of disagree with you there (in Lumbergh voice).

In all seriousness though, you are wrong on all points. Sorry, yes you are wrong. Rather than write a point by point rebuttal, against my common sense (you know, the thing about arguing with someone one the Internet) I'll just write a few paragraphs, provide some professional anecdotal and maybe quantitative evidence, and allow others to decide what's reasonable.

I build laptops and desktops for students of whom I teach programming and electronics. I build both new and used systems, and I loan and sell a lot of computers. Students get the loaners, buyers fund profits to buy more students computers. That said I experience a wide variety of actual system performance information across a large spectrum of computers.

Linux installs faster than Windows by a lot. When booting it's my experience that Linux can open a task manager (sometimes called system monitor on Linux) quicker than on a Windows system, the same goes for the file manager (explore on Windows). Across the board most programs open faster on Linux. You can disbelieve all you want, but that's just an objective reality.

https://i.imgur.com/UxR30xG.png

Regarding less CPU cycles, yes again it 's true, Linux uses less. Linux has far fewer background services and other tasks running in the background doing a bunch of unnecessary stuff.

https://www.pcerror-fix.com/windows-10-services-to-disable-f...

It's not just the services though. Windows is constantly scanning files for viruses or other malware, it's recording your activity, it's indexing the content of your computer as files are written or change. All this causes guess what? More CPU cycles and more memory being consumed. You may now go back and check my second point.

Moving on, you are wrong again on point number three. You don't need to download illegal Windows software to get malware. You can get it attached as an add on to free legal Windows programs.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/oracle-extends-its-adware-bund... https://www.information-age.com/hotbed-malware-another-blow-...

Next, Windows updates are notorious for downloading updates in the background without your knowledge or consent. There are well known stories of people who were working on an important task on their Windows computer, who got up for a break and came back to see updates being applied from an automatic reboot causing their work to be forever lost.

https://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-f... https://www.constellationsolutions.com/informational/tired-o...

Without a doubt Windows has more software, but I said the Linux app store experience is better than Windows. On Linux distributions have app stores that come from a curated list, and those apps are built from source by the distribution maintainer. They are verified to some degree and use the same installation methodology. On Windows this is not the case, a lot of software installs automatically without user consent. I keep getting Espon software each time I install Windows on a new computer attached to my network, gleefully telling me I need to buy ink from Epson. Additionally, Windows software often contains other adware or malware even if it comes from a Windows store. The software management side of things on Windows is a big stinking mess, which was the point I made, but yeah feel free miss that point to morph it into "Windows has more software".

When I said telemetry, that means collecting you data. You're not only being disingenuous in asserting that means downloading your personal files, you're also asking someone to prove a negative.

Regarding customization, on my distribution of choice it's very easy to change the icon or control theme, add extensions, and change those settings. There are prebuilt themes you can preview and click on to make a bunch of changes all at once, or you can click the original prebuilt to restore to the default settings.

You say the price of Linux versus Windows is 100% irrelevant nowadays. As a system builder I don't follow. Does Windows cost a system builder money or not? If it does, then it's not irrelevant.

Re: Reasons to prefer Linux over Windows (2014)

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I am a sample size of 1. For me, the inconveniences of using linux are far greater than the inconveniences of using windows. This article is targeted at the developer community mostly. As a programmer, I cannot recall being hindered by file name conventions, un-resizeable dialog boxes, bug trackers etc., as much I have been inconvenienced on linux by poor driver support, and regularly dropping to command line for con…

> As a programmer

> dropping to command line for configuring my system

Doesn't add up. You're a programmer, write a script if it bothers you?

> I find the user interface on windows nicer

Seriously though, expand on this. Interested in what you are comparing it to; Gnome, KDE, etc.

Re: Reasons to prefer Linux over Windows (2014)

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I am a sample size of 1. For me, the inconveniences of using linux are far greater than the inconveniences of using windows. This article is targeted at the developer community mostly. As a programmer, I cannot recall being hindered by file name conventions, un-resizeable dialog boxes, bug trackers etc., as much I have been inconvenienced on linux by poor driver support, and regularly dropping to command line for con…

Proton makes almost everything playable on linux. Sometimes with worse performance, sometimes with a lot better performance so it balances out.

Just for balance, I use KDE Plasma with an AMD graphics card but almost no games work, even those with a "gold" rating on ProtonDB.

I haven't had time to Google how to debug the problem, but only about 1 in 10 games "just work"

Update: OK, instead of surfing HN I googled the problem. I think it may be that my games are installed on an NTFS drive. I will try moving the installs to a new drive and see if I have more success!

Re: Reasons to prefer Linux over Windows (2014)

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Last Windows-based system I used professionally was Win2K and it was bearable after some heavy-duty configuration.

Switched to MacOS around 2002. It was not user-hostile back then and a decent Unix env. and Apple seemed to be headed down the right path, promising to support FOSS.

Switched from MacOS to Linux circa 2008 when it became abundantly clear that Apple's "backing" of OpenSource was a complete hoax designed to attract FOSS hackers to the platform and lock them in (the only parts of the OS that were FOSS were the lower layers, the entire stack above it was closed source - a tiger simply can't change its stripes).

Never had to look back, and when I look at the locked-in walled garden privacy hell that OSX has become, boy am I glad I switched.

Re: Reasons to prefer Linux over Windows (2014)

#287

I am a sample size of 1. For me, the inconveniences of using linux are far greater than the inconveniences of using windows. This article is targeted at the developer community mostly. As a programmer, I cannot recall being hindered by file name conventions, un-resizeable dialog boxes, bug trackers etc., as much I have been inconvenienced on linux by poor driver support, and regularly dropping to command line for con…

>As your average user, I find the user interface on windows nicer

Yes, especially the ads, they're so colorful and shiny !

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Re: Reasons to prefer Linux over Windows (2014)

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post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using PopOS (with i3 instead of Gnome) on a System76 laptop. I have some serious issues with resume from sleep. All browsers and electron apps have significant rendering issues after I resume and I have to close them down and restart them. I was able to fix Chrome and Firefox by enabling Vulkan, but Slack still requires a restart after every resume. My external monitors periodically stop working due to an NVIDIA…

It's possible the Chromium/Electron thing is this bug[1], which affects new proprietary nvidia drivers on recent Chromium versions. I also experienced that bug, though I don't think it affected Firefox for me. It resolved itself for me recently in all apps except Slack. I have no idea why. I'm fairly sure I didn't update anything. While it was still reproducing, I tested a purported fix in the upcoming Chromium 87 (o…

Yep. Only Slack ever had that problem for me. I reopen it again after every resume, when I have to work with my customers. I don't use Slack for anything else.

Re: Reasons to prefer Linux over Windows (2014)

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post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...or just run WSL2, which is absolutely amazing.

Shared filesystem performance on WSL2 is anything but amazing and pretty much everything I want it for depends heavily on the filesystem. Native I/O performance is good but without shared files, WSL2 doesn't have any benefits over a VM.

Linux got virtio-fs[1] capabilities as of Linux 5.4, and a driver for Windows guests was released recently. Along with VFIO passthrough, you can have accelerated and nearly native speed Windows guests on Linux if WSL2 isn't working out.

[1] https://virtio-fs.gitlab.io/

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