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Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ponker wrote: post #233
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds a lot like saying that it is, indeed, incoherent, but don't worry because we can get a judge to decide whether or not you're going to jail ex post facto, at a cost to you of more than you paid for your house (win or lose).

Computer people probably see the nondeterministic behavior in words like “primarily” as evidence of a bug. To the law school graduates who write the laws, it’s a feature and not a bug that these decisions are made by a judge in a courtroom.

It helps to realize that "human reality" is nondeterministic in the sense that we lack sufficient computing power and modelling capability to work with it. It's not random, it's AI-complete. We literally can't handle it formally, and that's why we need to defer to the only "general AI" we have - or as its ordinarily called, human judgement. And human judgement is not random - it's taking into account vast amounts of data, like ethics/morality and social context, which for now escape our attempts at formalizing them.

Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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Post by ojosilva »

I'm concerned that the "internet of videos" is not being properly archived, like the hypertext one is. I use ytdl primarily to save valuable homemade videos that I'm afraid could disappear if that person, or Google, were to delete or block the account. I'd hope this could be a coordinated effort by libraries and institutions interested in preserving this invaluable and unprecedented corpus of daily life, culture, spoken word, music etc. that could be studied for generations to come.

And I couldn't care less about VEVO and other copyrighted material, which, I wish, could find home in a completely different platform for all I care.

Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #163

I never use youtube-dl because it is almost always overkill and it is always breaking. I write my own downloaders. The one I use for YouTube is currently less than half a page of shell script. I never download VEVO or other videos that have enciphered signatures (most videos I encounter on web pages don't), so there is no need for Python or any other slow scripting language and fiddling around with Google's Javascrip…

s/anti-//

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Post by bmn__ »

scoutt wrote: post #275
beagle3 wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this significantly different than placing a video camera in front of a screen? Yt-dL is surely nicer and more convenient, but from an evidence standpoint, a one time $500 (to go wild) setup should have you covered, no? (Mourning the loss of ytdl myself but trying to be realistic)

I'm afraid to ask how you take screenshots.

https://thedailywtf.com/articles/Web_0_0x2e_1

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Post by bassie2 »

I used youtube-dl for my thesis, analysing Twitch streams and capturing hate speech. Downloading complete playlists with youtube-dl was the only reliable solution. Science, journalism and law enforcement will miss this great tool.

Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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Post by hiq »

crusty wrote: post #132

I am super curious, if this software is open source and the most damning aspect of this case is likely to come down to non-software specific factors like the inclusion of copywrited material (from big name artists) in the unit tests and README and such, what would be the result is someone with the repo just scrubbed the README, refactorfed the unit tests to rid them of any tests on copywrited material, changed the na…

Stay tuned: https://github.com/blackjack4494/yt-dlc

Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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Post by jijji »

banning open source software is like the streisand effect, its probably impossible but a new name will popup tomorro even if it was banned... its funny there is even a law to ban attempt to ban software, which is essentially poetry or speech. any challenge to the supreme court would likely fail on those grounds.

Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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Post by roboyoshi »

NanoCoaster wrote: post #273
TedShiller wrote: post #213

Banning youtube-dl won’t accomplish much. I can simply record my screen with audio (for example using QuickTime Player) and save that as a video. I do that as a last resort if video download software doesn’t work. This method can never be stopped. If I can see it and hear it, then I can record it, with close to perfect quality. And it will get even easier with more user friendly tools. Sorry, technology wins.

Isn't there already DRM that works by encrypting the video stream and only decrypting / decoding the video stream on the TV? Or at least, in some sort of closed-off execution context? I'm thinking of Widevine level 1 DRM, for example. If I remember correctly, it mandates that all of the decryption has to happen in a "Trusted Execution Environment", which seems to mean a hardware enclave. I think this effectively lock…

Yes that is indeed a problem. But it's more prominent in the streaming platforms netflix et al. The encrypted widevine stream can still be captured though and AFAIK if any of the hardware leaks the decryption keys it's easily recovered. YouTube will hopefully never implement a DRM solution - it would lock out a lot of older clients that simply do not support it..But in any case you can still record stuff with your phone by simply recording with the camera if you must.
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