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Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses
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Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses
#282Variant of 8 and 13: people overall are actually getting smarter, and more people are figuring out how to communicate more widely. The iceberg of relative stupidity was always there, but now you can see more of it. See also Eternal September https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
Youtube comments was the worst of the internet. Now it is sometimes useful.
Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses
#283Counterintuitively, people love reading about and engaging in what they consider "stupidity". Internet companies capitalize on this by bringing an optimized stream of stupidity for your viewing pleasure. Take a look at the front page of Reddit (logged out, default subs): Half of the content highlights stupidity of others: /r/IdiotsInCars shows the worst drivers from around the world, /r/insanepeoplefacebook shows the…
I am convinced the world is "stupid", but it's not because I passively browse the front page of reddit more than I should. In fact, before you pointed out that it's mostly a stupidity concentrator (nice term btw), I didn't even notice that. When I read the front page of reddit I don't deduce the average intelligence of the participants by the most popular (mostly negative) posts of the day, I'm banking on the most up…
'Stupid' is very subjective. Let’s take your example of the face masks. You (scientists including) call stupid whenever people aren’t wearing the masks. Others (also including scientists) might say that wearing a mask is stupid (because it’s weakening your immune system).
Another example. If you’d be living in the Middle Ages and there would be a growing group believing the earth wasn’t flat, you’d be called stupid. Now, it’s the other way around.
Either way, stupidity is very subjective when applied at an intellectual level.
At a more practical level, stupid would be a child that just heard their parents say not to touch the furnace but still touches it and burns itself. One could call it stupid, but it’s also a way of learning, exploring and getting experience.
So even at this level, 'stupid' is subjective
Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses
#284Counterintuitively, people love reading about and engaging in what they consider "stupidity". Internet companies capitalize on this by bringing an optimized stream of stupidity for your viewing pleasure. Take a look at the front page of Reddit (logged out, default subs): Half of the content highlights stupidity of others: /r/IdiotsInCars shows the worst drivers from around the world, /r/insanepeoplefacebook shows the…
I really think social media companies are deliberately promoting stupid and blatantly wrong beliefs. It's good for engagement. If you've ever watched someone be completely wrong about something you know a lot about, you know how strong the urge to correct them is. On social media, promoting clearly wrong beliefs and ideas (Flat Earth, for instance) is good for business because people will similarly jump in to correct…
There was a xkcd about it: https://xkcd.com/386/
Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really think social media companies are deliberately promoting stupid and blatantly wrong beliefs. It's good for engagement. If you've ever watched someone be completely wrong about something you know a lot about, you know how strong the urge to correct them is. On social media, promoting clearly wrong beliefs and ideas (Flat Earth, for instance) is good for business because people will similarly jump in to correct…
> I really think social media companies are deliberately promoting stupid and blatantly wrong beliefs. I don't find them particularly worse than the major mainstream media. > If you've ever watched someone be completely wrong about something you know a lot about This happens whenever I read a mainstream media article about something like airplanes.
“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.
In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.” – Michael Crichton (1942-2008)
(edit: added link below)
taken from: https://www.epsilontheory.com/gell-mann-amnesia/
Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses
#286My theory is chronic low vitamin D combined with an epidemic of lifestyle illnesses and their medications; all of which is amplified by social media happy to confirm bias.
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#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
>There was research last year that showed that cynicism is a way for less intelligent people to protect themselves from being taken advantage of. Basically, if you know you're not smart enough to figure out if other people are genuine or out to scam you, defaulting to assuming that all strangers are lying is a winning strategy. That narrative is ridiculous - what does intelligence have to do with it ? I guarantee you…
> That narrative is ridiculous - what does intelligence have to do with it ? https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/014616721878319... "Further studies demonstrated that cynicism is more likely to be a worldview endorsed by individuals with lower rather than higher levels of education (Haukkala, 2002; Stavrova & Ehlebracht, 2018) and intelligent individuals’ behavior was shown to be more likely to depart from t…
>Following this reasoning, high-competence individuals
might hold adaptable attitudes and recur to cynicism only
when it seems warranted, while their less competent counter-
parts might show more cognitive rigidity and—relying on the “better safe than sorry” heuristic—tend to endorse cynicism indiscriminately. Consistent with evolutionary principles, such a “better safe than sorry” strategy can prove
efficient when one lacks the ability to correctly identify the relevant features of the sociocultural context one is confronted with and determine whether cynicism is warranted or not (Brumbach, Figueredo, & Ellis, 2009; Gross, 1996). In
this sense, at lower levels of competence, holding a negative, cynical view as a default (assuming that people are guided by self-interest unless proven otherwise) might represent a more viable strategy than holding an overly positive view of others’ morality.
So the narrative is about competence and intelligence is a factor as it correlates with competence.
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#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think that acting weirdly when confronted with your own irrationality is a sign of mental illness. Accepting that you were wrong is generally a hard thing. Admitting to someone else that you were wrong is similarly hard. If you get totally and irrefutably proven wrong by someone you are having a heated argument with, that is doubly hard. In order to respond correctly you need to, within a very short time-span…
But why has one "felt was attacking you" and was "angry"? It is about arguments not personalities. Better be wrong than ignorant.
> Better be wrong than ignorant
I think this is a hard mantra to put into practice sometimes. I definitely think many people who are not mentally ill sometimes do not abide by this mantra.
Whilst I agree that it is better to be wrong to be ignorant, there are plenty of times where I hate being proven wrong. Sometimes that does get the better of me.
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#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Religion is a metaphysical perspective of existence, one based on spirituality from which we develop our humanity, morality etc. and none of that is irrational. Humans have been naturally selected to cooperate over millions of years. Religion only exists because we yearn the feeling of community which is biological and it only makes sense that a unified culture makes a group most likely to survive. Also, any belief…
"Religion only exists because we yearn the feeling of community " No, community is only part of it, and frankly, that we lived in communities beforehand is not relevant. Religion is the 'foundational philosophy concerning nature of who we are' that transcends most other subjects - i.e. it's metaphysics at it's core. The 'community' part arises only in the same way secular civic and legal issues arise in our own commu…
> Religion is the 'foundational philosophy concerning nature of who we are' that transcends most other subjects - i.e. it's metaphysics at it's core.
Not at all. Religion is simply a set of practices and beliefs.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
I'm sure some practitioners have developed a philosophical understanding of it just as you can do with anything in life.
> You're conflating 'people who say they are hardcore believers in XYZ' with necessarily 'very religious' people.
It's the other way around. 'Very religious' people are 'hardcore believers'.
I suspect the root of blind belief is the same in both cases though. Most likely biological in nature.
In case it's not clear, I'm not saying religion is inherently bad, and I don't think religious people are completely irrational. What I'm saying is that religious belief is indeed irrational and fanaticism is bad (religious or not).
Re: Is Stupidity Expanding? Some Hypotheses
#290> I am acquiring greater wisdom with age as I ought, but the average age of the typical person I encounter stays the same so they cannot keep up. I’m noticing the contrast increasing but misattributing it. My money is on this. You wouldn't typically argue with a kid, but on the internet you probably are.
I agree and I'd like to go further: If you're out and about and a person comes up to you and shouts about how the world is controlled by goats in cow suits, your brain will quickly assess the trustworthiness of this person. Is the person wearing clothes? Is the person rambling/coherent/visibly intoxicated? Are the person's eyes shifting around/manic looking? Does the person smell weird? (I am making up random example…
If someone was on your street rambling and raving, you wouldn't invited them in your house to have an argument. Yet, we figuratively do this when we reply to (and even seek) negative and angry arguments, leaving us fuming in our living rooms.