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Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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First of all I don't need to be mansplained about what is happening in the Northeast with videos short or not. Neither do I need to be schooled in the nuances, thank you. I am just sick and tired of the narrative that comes from the right wing "look missionaries did these horrible things". My rebuttal to that is (i) where were you and (ii) you (not you personally, the rightwing ideology) continue to do worse even tod…

If you have some courtesy to watch the video, it neither talks about conversions nor about north-east, nor about Christians. It talks about how bad Hindus are in supporting each other, when it comes to religion. What is so called right-wing ideology doing?

I show courtesy to those who have earned it. One earns some just being human, but then one can lose lots by one's behavior and agenda.

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True because it was posted on opindia ? Sorry I don't take my driving instructions from a propaganda outlet whose editor has admitted [0] on twitter that it had been a political outlet. Once they approach the neighborhood of Teltumbde credibility and service built up through decades, I will think about it. > Okay you follow fake news scroll. > Don't say OpIndia is right-wing citing Wikipedia and non-sense. Oh the iro…

Okay, I don't know regarding OpIndia. The reason why I have posted that link is because True-Indology website is slightly broken.

https://trueindology.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/koregaon-ka-ko...

I'm sorry to inform, what you consider as ultimate source of truth ALT-News is nothing but a propaganda website.

Here alt-news have done a hit job on true-indology:

https://www.altnews.in/trueindology-truefraudology-debunking...

Here is clear rebuttal from him, for the lies which ALT-News is spreading against him.

https://trueindology.wordpress.com/2017/06/17/alt-news-or-fr...

Let me tell you, ALT-News didn't have the courtesy and they weren't humble enough to say they were wrong, it's been three years. Nor can they write a rebuttal.

My point clearly stays the same, you are just spreading fake news.

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I have never shared any link which is sited as fake news from OPIndia in your document.

I'm not a fake peddler like you.

True Indology have taken up idols of left like Irafan Habib, ... and other western historians. All they could do is block him without any rebuttal.

Look at you, how you are keeping on goal-shifting the discussion.

I asked you to refute article, without discussing about OPIndia, you have done exactly same (Goal-shift).

I asked you to refute AR.Ranganathan points, once again you have done the same just pass it.

For your Information, I'm not a BJP shill. I just like to stand with truth. It seems you are completely against it.

Once again to bust your bubble, I'm not a low self-esteemed person, I very much know what I'm capable of.

I'm 23 and I'm humble enough to learn if I was wrong, not an arrogant, who keeps goal-shifting and spread fake news.

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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This discussion like most HN discussions are hijacked by extremist agenda pushers who keep throwing in out-of-context words like nationalism, caste, religion, etc irrelevantly. A simple search shows why Indian govt froze the bank accounts.

Amnesty International continues to violate Indian laws (FCRA) time and again by not disclosing their source of funds. They were investigated a decade ago by the previous government too for money laundering (for people crying hoarse on current government), and Amnesty International halted all it's work then too.

All foreign funding/donations needs to be approved based on FCRA act. Instead of obeying the laws, Amnesty channeled money through various private or other sister orgs, claiming it is remittances for services exported. They lost the case in the State courts couple of times and my guess is they didn't want to risk going to the Supreme court and lose again. So instead of complying with the law, it's time to spin the story against the Indian government.

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/linked-private-company...

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/current-affairs-tre...

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True because it was posted on opindia ? Sorry I don't take my driving instructions from a propaganda outlet whose editor has admitted [0] on twitter that it had been a political outlet. Once they approach the neighborhood of Teltumbde credibility and service built up through decades, I will think about it. > Okay you follow fake news scroll. > Don't say OpIndia is right-wing citing Wikipedia and non-sense. Oh the iro…

Okay, I don't know regarding OpIndia. The reason why I have posted that link is because True-Indology website is slightly broken. https://trueindology.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/koregaon-ka-ko... I'm sorry to inform, what you consider as ultimate source of truth ALT-News is nothing but a propaganda website. Here alt-news have done a hit job on true-indology: https://www.altnews.in/trueindology-truefraudology-debunking.…

> I'm sorry to inform, what you consider as ultimate source of truth ALT-News is nothing but a propaganda website.

I have said nothing about alt-news. First time I heard of them.

Its you who started quoting from opindia in gay abandon all over two stories on HN. Same links again and again. At that point you gave the impression to the rest of the HN audience that they were a reliable source.

Its only when you got caught out on how shady the source is ( [0] admission on twitter by the editors of OpIndia and 43 cases of fake news) that you now invent an excuse for quoting them.

A person is known by the sources one quotes. You attempted to school me on Koregaon history and on NorthEast. Not sure why, because I was referring to Teltumbde incarceration by the NIA and charges brought on him by the UAPA act that does not even require the charges of terrorism to be proved.

Oh such an inconvenience of proving things, lets just put people in jail just because they disagree.

You may claim not to be a shill, your behavior on HN has been indistinguishable from them.

>I asked you to refute AR.Ranganathan

I see, I should be taking orders from you on whom I should not refute (opindia) and whom I should. OK.

I refuse to get dragged into the muck that you want to drag us into. I think I have made a good enough case to show your intentions by calling out a source that you have been using repeatedly. That's enough of dumpster garbage harvesting for me for a day. The less I do those the better for me.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24632299

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Okay, I don't know regarding OpIndia. The reason why I have posted that link is because True-Indology website is slightly broken. https://trueindology.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/koregaon-ka-ko... I'm sorry to inform, what you consider as ultimate source of truth ALT-News is nothing but a propaganda website. Here alt-news have done a hit job on true-indology: https://www.altnews.in/trueindology-truefraudology-debunking.…

> I'm sorry to inform, what you consider as ultimate source of truth ALT-News is nothing but a propaganda website. I have said nothing about alt-news. First time I heard of them. Its you who started quoting from opindia in gay abandon all over two stories on HN. Same links again and again. At that point you gave the impression to the rest of the HN audience that they were a reliable source. Its only when you got caug…

> Its only when you got caught out on how shady the source is ( [0] admission on twitter by the editors of OpIndia and 43 cases of fake news) that you now invent an excuse for quoting them.

Debating 101: The way you refute a point is by providinga counter-argument against it.

Not by showing some unrelated stuff, here discussion is about amnesty. Not, did OPIndia, ever create fake news or not?

> You attempted to school me on Koregaon history and on NorthEast. Not sure why, because I was referring to Teltumbde incarceration by the NIA.

Because, you are speaking in support of Teltumbde, so called dalit actvist, who create fake-history for dividing societies.

I'm giving a lecture to you,to show how fake news is generated by your masters.

> I refuse to get dragged into the muck that you want to drag us into.

Didn't refute a single point, When challenged, kept moving goal-posts all over the place. When pointed about goal shiftting say, "I refuse to get dragged" nonsense.

Claims oneself to be more intelligent than National Investigating Agency, How?

> By reading propaganda articles on internet.

You seem to have too much of a high stature of yourself: As Russians say it: "You are nothing but a 'Useful Idiot'".

It seems you lack 'sense', you can get some here: https://youtu.be/UrS1qDcgdTk https://youtu.be/Y9TviIuXPSE

Please be careful, regarding the above videos it may break you, as your whole life is built on top of lies.

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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The government didn't wake-up overnight to freeze NGO's assets. Many NGOs were NOT filing annual reports that they were supposed to be filing, and their compliance(even pre-2014 norms) were not ensured by the govt. UPA have used these NGOs to instigate protests in various state governments as Congress lacked strong real regional political activities and lack grass-root touch with people. It was visible with the stron…

was that the case here?

Yes and no.

There were certain documents that shoud have been filed, but in general the interpretation or norm was that they didnt need to be.

The new govt which came into power eforced this rule and of course, everyone struggled to fill it - the media scoop was "non compliance".

IN addition, this was all done on the backs of a terrible IB (intelligence bureau) report which was leaked.

The report was used as an excuse to demonize NGOs and reduce any statue they had in the market of ideas.

I have read the report, and it is so laughably bad, that I wouldn't doubt if someone told me that all of India's security apparatuses had been compromised and were run by foreign powers.

Sections of that document included parts which warned that NGOs had been able to plot, on a map, the location of extant, proposed and in construction nuclear power plants. "The use of handwritten notes was to foil the ability of text scanners."

Additionally, there are multiple sections that correlate receipt of foreign funds as signs of collusion with foreign powers. Even if it is Greenpeace getting funding from international members.

The amount of actual scrutiny in 2014 on this document was nil.

You can read the report here: https://kractivist.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/NGO-Report...

If anyone reads it, you will immediately see what is up, since the sight of a google map with pins being lauded as a villainous mastermind about to damage India was laughable.

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I saved this in my bookmarks a while back when reading up on this topic - the alleged Indian Intelligence Bureau (IB) report published in 2014 [0] [0] https://www.scribd.com/document/229493571/IB-Report-NGO

Hey! someone else has that document saved. It is absolutely hilarious and tragic.

When it came out, I read the report and realized that it was a hack job, and sure enough - not one person knew its contents, despite the news channels and whatsapp declaring NGOs as enemy number 1.

I've commented elsewhere in this thread how that report says that writing hand written notes is an attempt to evade scanners, and that using google maps and adding pins to it is evidence of near super villain levels of plotting to end India's coal power dreams - by Greenpeace.

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Any source on the motives of Indian nationalism for the "strict implementation" of varna system?

50% Ministers in Modi regime are Brahmin; And Brahmin are just 3% in India; https://www.quora.com/Which-caste-is-looting-India/answers/2...

Why not mention that Modi is from OBC (Other backward caste)?

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About 10% of India's population is muslim however in Kashmir they are a majority which I think is more or less the root cause of the Kashmir conflict.

I wonder how did muslims became majority in kashmir? Do you know? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus Now that the these refugees are coming back o their motherland, propagandists are busy labelling it as hindu occupation and minority oppression.

Just like they become majority is Syria. And soon they are becoming majority in major European cities.

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One thing that comments so far down here do not highlight is that there was a recent change in the Foreign Contribution (Regulation) Act where there were changes in the amount of money / limit of administrative expenditure that can be allocated to foreign contributions to 20 percent from the previous 50 percent and, Enforcement Directorate had issued a show-cause notice to Amnesty International India recently (I thin…

Thanks for saying this. I don't know why everything has to be reduced to "Nazis".
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