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Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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Post by 2squirrels » Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 1:26 PM UTC

wy35 wrote: post #127

czbond wrote: post #111

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Why see a psychiatrist? Are those really things to 'fix' on the whole - given the upsides? I'm incredibly energetic. I can't sit down for long - so I just stand in meetings. TV is a waste of time, so is social small talk, I do what I care about (and it rewarded me well). I've just felt like the speed, risk tolerance, freedom it provides me, and intuition make a powerful combination. I'd say the ADHD (if it is) makes…

> I may be conflating ADHD with my incredibly independent personality I think you are, to a degree. Serious ADHD is AWFUL to live with and there's barely any upside. > I can't sit down for long - so I just stand in meetings. It's nice that you can mitigate not being able to sit down for long by just standing, but for many people with ADHD, not being able to sit for long is more than just stance. It's because they can…

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Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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Post by joekim » Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 10:07 PM UTC

indigochill wrote: post #228

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Most procrastination is emotional management, a sort of self-medicating from stress. Having a skilled therapist working through it with you sounds fantastic. I really like a technique called the "Sedona Method" for releasing difficult emotions.

I find it amusing when I look up "Sedona Method" I find lots of blurbs in the search previews about how simple and powerful it is, yet none of them actually give any clue as to what it involves (but you can buy a book that will reveal the secret!). Not a criticism of the technique (since I have no idea what it involves, although I'm curious), moreso of the optics to someone searching for it. As opposed to something l…

Sorry it seems really vague. I think it's so simple it's confusing. Essentially, the Sedona method is to connect with whatever's bugging you and ask yourself these questions.

1. Could I let it go? (You can say yes, or no or anything. Saying "yes" is typical because it's just asking if it's possible. Saying "I don't know", is to be generally avoided because it doesn't let you "try it out".)

2. Would I let it go? (Same deal as question 1, but it puts you in the driver's seat in terms of would you take action)

3. When would you let it go? (It's an invitation to say, "now!", but answer honestly)

When explaining the Sedona Method they have you hold a pen and when you "let it go" you physically let it go. That's it. People protest and say, "it's not that easy", but if you do it earnestly you find you have a slight release. Then you just keep doing it over and over again and most stuff just tends to go away.

The way I think about it is that our mind can be run as a powerful emotional simulator, but all emotions are actually real. When we watch movies it's all a simulation but we have a genuine emotional reaction when we watch. The Sedona Method is a process that simulates letting go of resistant feelings that we have, but amazingly it does actually go away. It may come back but like regular exercise you keep chipping away at it bit by bit. Over time it does wonders.

Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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Post by joekim » Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 10:11 PM UTC

epicureanideal wrote: post #137

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> "Pushing through via sheer force of will isn't possible." > That's exactly what I'm saying. I'll check out the link. What I'm saying is that you can't push your way through Navy Seal training by trying harder. But you can significantly increase your output and down regulate the process around "quitting" by using other techniques that will trigger the norepinephrine reset.

I think you're identifying something important to talk about. If I understand correctly from the PodClip, really the idea is to give your brain a small reward for making progress. I think many of us on HN are familiar with being able to work 10-12 hours if we're feeling like we're on the track to success. However, even then, at 10-12 hours, eventually the brain gets tired. That's something that I'm also interested in…

When your brain gets tired maybe all you need to do is some Yoga Nidra or alike and you can reset and get more clarity back by pushing out the norepinephrine.

Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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Post by owenshen24 » Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 4:48 AM UTC

aryamaan wrote: post #214

owenshen24 wrote: post #85

Fogg has some good thoughts on positive behavior change. James Clear, who wrote Tiny Habits, is another good person in this space who writes reasonable stuff. Self-plug for an overview on research into the habit formation literature that I recently cleaned up. Covers many evidence-backed interventions (of varying quality) for habit formation and removal. https://mlu.red/52436366310.html

Just a small clarification "Atomic Habits" is the name of the book written by James Clear. Also, Tiny Habits is another book which also discusses the same space.

Yeah, my bad. I mis-remembered. Thanks for clarifying!

Re: How to stop procrastinating by using the Fogg Behavior Model

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Post by chpmrc » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:04 AM UTC

wtracy wrote: post #232

chpmrc wrote: post #141

What if procrastination was the simple act of postponing something just because... you can . Erase the 9-5, the arbitrary deadlines, the impossible requests of a boss, a client or a partner. Poof! Procrastination conceptually ceases to exist. It's ok to do nothing for 2 days and then put in 12 hours straight of purely productive coding, if you are not supposed to follow a specific timetable. It's ok to be a few days…

> Because, let's face it, nobody in their right mind procrastinates if their livelihood is on the line or if it means letting someone down. I see you've never met a person with impaired executive function. It's frustrating and heartbreaking to watch an otherwise intelligent and capable person just...stop living.

> in their right mind