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Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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> A possible subtext to what you have written is that your employer (google) was mandating that you keep using the device at home as part of your employment... but that is outrageous and I would like clarification as I feel it cannot be true. The requirement to use a Google device at home has never been imposed to the best of my knowledge, at least unless this individual was working on the product. Even then they wou…

What’s important from a user perspective is that it’s not possible to verify these safety measures, while potentially exposing some of the most private pieces of information. I agree that usually it should be safe and anyone messing with logs would probably get terminated, but there’s not much more than to trust people there and I’m not sure all safeguards hold in all cases, e.g., if people were to collude within the…

> What’s important from a user perspective ...

I'd say that's important for a very tiny subset of users. For most users, the main question is whether the devices are useful. I have them, and I'm not sure myself.

For the users who would want to verify that their stuff isn't being used any way they don't like, it's hard to say what could practically be done to convince them. Even if Google explained the inner workings of its privacy protection systems in detail (and it has, in some various contexts), you still can't watch the code running and verify that it's doing what Google says. Short of building from source and running it yourself, there's no way to verify that things are behaving as you desire. Not using devices in this class is the only option, I guess, at least until it becomes practical to move all the computation on prem, and until someone has an economic incentive to build a system with that feature.

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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As someone who has worked on speech recognition at several of these companies I'm quite certain that they are not listening all the time

How certain are you that the long term game plan is not 24/7 listening? They seek to monitor you every other way and push the envelope relentlessly

that information is just not that valuable. I think this myth that the companies are listening 24/7 comes from an egotistical mindset that everything you say must be interesting.

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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How certain are you that the long term game plan is not 24/7 listening? They seek to monitor you every other way and push the envelope relentlessly

that information is just not that valuable. I think this myth that the companies are listening 24/7 comes from an egotistical mindset that everything you say must be interesting.

What a callous view point. It's true that most of what the majority of people say is not that interesting, but there's plenty of people who do have conversations that are valuable for 3rd parties to listen in to. Throw a big enough net and you begin to capture a lot of these

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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> “it can’t do local speech recognition” Yeah, I'm surprised about it too. ~13 years ago, I've been running my own completely off-line speech recognition system on a cheap PC to control music in my room. With a microphone mounted on a wardrobe. With very little pre-training, it worked pretty much flawlessly, and it could recognize commands over very loud music. And I built it in few afternoons using MS Speech API, wh…

> ~13 years ago Beyond that, closer to 20 years ago, I remember on Win98 experimenting with an offline speech-to-text program I'd downloaded from somewhere. It required training, but I remember it being pretty accurate - I just didn't find a use for it because we had one shared desktop and I'd be annoying everyone else in the room. I think it was called Vox, or something like that...

I’m always slightly surprised by anecdotes like this from so long ago. When I tried using MacOS Classic speech recognition 20 years ago, it interpreted every command as “Tell me a joke” including the line the user was supposed to say to make the joke script continue.

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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I get gizmos like this as gifts every now and then. I never bothered opening any of them up. What are some fun things that we can do with these things besides their intended use?

Smash them up as a sort of therapy when you get really frustrated and upload the video to youtube. You'll get rid of them and make some money as well

Not a huge fan of Google.

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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It's just confirmation bias. If this were actually happening then: a) You'd be able to detect it by sniffing the network traffic, and b) Some journalist or scientist would have reproduced it and written about it. It also makes absolutely zero sense that Google would do this. The press would be terrible if they were found it, it's outright illegal in Europe, and they don't need to! They have an amazingly good signal f…

>You'd be able to detect it by sniffing the network traffic, How? I can very easily come up with a compression/local storage + stream when app is being used mechanism to record whatever the app is hearing and sending it back to the mothership. Why is everyone assuming that the transmission is happening in realtime and not scheduled/hidden with usage?

I'm always up for a bit of google bashing but it's fairly ridiculous to assume they'd try and hide random bits of other audio in the snippets they send, google is staffed by actual humans, and if the us govt. can have whistleblowers, google sure as hell would have by now.

a) how would they know what data to send? if they're able to do speech recognition offline and somehow gauge how important the audio is prior to transmitting it then why the hell aren't they using this technology to absolutely blow alexa out of the market?

b) I've done some tracing on my router and seen minimal difference between data uploaded and the size of the voice clips you can freely playback in your google account history, not saying clever compression etc. couldn't cover this, but again - why?

Im definitely not implying corporations like google aren't more than capable of great evil and deserve to be watched like a hawk, but let's pick our battles?

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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> I had one of these when I worked for Google, I didn’t quite trust it though, so I had it in the bathroom to limit what my employer could listen to. I don't understand why you just didn't throw it away, or put it in a box powered down. A possible subtext to what you have written is that your employer (google) was mandating that you keep using the device at home as part of your employment... but that is outrageous an…

It was a new device (already public though) at that time and it wasn’t mandated, I got it for free though. I did want to test it and see how it works and if it’s useful for me, I just don’t completely trust them and don’t think people should trust large corporations putting microphones in their houses, so I decided to put it in a room where I usually don’t have conversations until I either have a very strong assuranc…

Thank you for the clarification. Makes complete sense.
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