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ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization

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Re: ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization

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With just less than 10% of market share, do you really think it will change the whole thing? Unless Microsoft pushes for ARM too, I don't see any changes soon

Microsoft just announced their own OpenJDK variant for Windows ARM.

if Microsoft ports the whole business applications to ARM, there might be hope, but without them, It's hard

Re: ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization

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With just less than 10% of market share, do you really think it will change the whole thing? Unless Microsoft pushes for ARM too, I don't see any changes soon

Microsoft has been dabbling with ARM for a long time now. It will all come down to whether this move gives Apple a significant performance and/or battery life advantage. If Apple pulls it off it will force Microsoft and other vendors to respond.

They announced there will be no Bootcamp, I hope there will be a possibility to install other OSes as well on their new machines.

This is critical especially when they make their older devices "EOL" and there are no more OS updates.

Re: ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization

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This is silly. Most stacks will have counterparts on both architectures. Just run CI with the same configurations as prod. Problems due to differences will be rare for most stacks -- modern languages are well defined and run against extensive spec tests on all major platforms -- and will smooth out over time.

Re: ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization

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Microsoft just announced their own OpenJDK variant for Windows ARM.

if Microsoft ports the whole business applications to ARM, there might be hope, but without them, It's hard

Office for ARM will be supported on Windows 10X, already exists for tablets and phones, Apple also demoed the beta for ARM Mac at WWDC keynote.

Re: ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization

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if Microsoft ports the whole business applications to ARM, there might be hope, but without them, It's hard

Office for ARM will be supported on Windows 10X, already exists for tablets and phones, Apple also demoed the beta for ARM Mac at WWDC keynote.

also SharePoint, Projects, Dynamics?

Re: ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization

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Office for ARM will be supported on Windows 10X, already exists for tablets and phones, Apple also demoed the beta for ARM Mac at WWDC keynote.

also SharePoint, Projects, Dynamics?

SharePoint, Dynamics run on whatever .NET runs, and that includes ARM CPUs.

Project is part of Office.

In any case I though we were talking about consumer devices here.

Re: ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization

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> Because it gives techies the *nix environment they want, with the software and hardware support no one will give them on Linux. The UNIX experience on the Mac is pretty shitty. Ancient versions of all the tooling. Command-line utils have that weird BSD well-water flavor. No package management. Funny Docker quirks. The hardware used to be pretty nice, but honestly I'm still having trouble forgiving them for getting…

>> Because it gives techies the nix environment they want, with the software and hardware support no one will give them on Linux. > The UNIX experience on the Mac is pretty shitty. Ancient versions of all the tooling. Command-line utils have that weird BSD well-water flavor. No package management. Funny Docker quirks. It doesn't have to be the best nix environment. Hell, it doesn't even have to be a good one. It just…

> by-and-large, things "just work".

Last week I had to drop to vi and edit nfs.conf on a friend's Mac to solve very slow transfer rates. "Just works" within a very narrow definition of primitive use cases.

Re: ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization

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I actually wouldn't be surprised if Apple were to put SVE in their first desktop class ARM chip. They were the first to move to 64 bits after all and SVE has been optional in the standard for quite a while and they wouldn't be the first implementer this time.

Apple wasn't the first with a 64-bit ARM chip - AppliedMicro released theirs in 2011: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20111027006673/en/App... - the Apple A7 wasn't released for another 2 years after that.

The chip is announced in 2011 but when the chip available as a server? I assume near the time to iPhone 5s (2013/9).

https://www.servethehome.com/hp-announces-retail-availabilit...

Re: ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization

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Yes, VMWare ESXi runs on Arm just fine. :-)

Can you run an x86 guest under it?

No. Virtualization (dividing a host into different logical hosts but executing unmodified CPU instructions, like VMware, VirtualBox, ...) and emulation (translating instructions, like Rosetta) are two different beasts.
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