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Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by timsally »

tptacek wrote: post #262
nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

"Never proven false" is an Orwellian turn of phrase, because WL's concern with accuracy is obviously not overriding: https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/757599082928082944?lang=en Also: why would I care that Hammond was prosecuted? Hammond was caught dead to rights.

Thanks for chiming in. I would also add that he put aid workers and activists at risk [1] and caused potential harm, torture, and death to dissidents in Afghanistan and Iraq [2].

Indiscriminate doxing to accomplish a radical agenda is not journalism. My view-- which I admit is broader than the point you made-- is that he is a criminal and should be tried and convicted. It makes me sick to my stomach that he cloaks his actions in the hard work and bravery of our free press.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37165230 "Human rights groups have asked Wikileaks many times to do more to censor information found in documents. They fear reprisals against aid workers, activists and civilians named in the leaked data."

[2] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51616077 "Mr Lewis said the dissemination of specific classified documents unredacted put dissidents in Afghanistan and Iraq at 'risk of serious harm, torture or even death". The US identified hundreds of "at risk and potentially at risk people' around the world, he said, and made efforts to warn them."

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by henearkr »

fsloth wrote: post #259
henearkr wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't know. It really is very difficult to resist the temptation to misuse power, when a lot of it is concentrated in one's hands. On the other hand, let's analyse: - on the "means" side: France certainly has a lot of military power. It does drone-killing of terrorist heads in African Sahel. It launches successful intelligence operations abroad. It also succeeds to counter foreign agents on its own soil (r…

"More people, especially a lot of intelligent people, are despising US more." If they are more offended by treatment of Assange than innocents kept in Guantanamo Bay 'camp' without a trial and summary drone executions with huge collateral death toll I'm not sure I would call them that intelligent. I mean really, US government has a huge assassination list whose targets are taken down by bomb raids killing and maiming…

They are on your side.

The supporters of Assange are guaranteed to be also revolted by Guantanamo Camp and drone executions.

Assange's supporters like him precisely because, among other things, he (and Wikileaks) is a champion of the cause fighting against the wrongdoings of US army and US extrajudicial penitentiary system:

- Guantanamo Files https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/

- Collateral Murder https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/

These are actually precisely the reason why US government is extraditing Assange.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by lixtra »

tptacek wrote: post #262
nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

"Never proven false" is an Orwellian turn of phrase, because WL's concern with accuracy is obviously not overriding: https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/757599082928082944?lang=en Also: why would I care that Hammond was prosecuted? Hammond was caught dead to rights.

The Twitter link you provide does not claim that wikileaks spread false information.

In fact following the huffpost link it appears as if wikileaks pointed to private (and not of public interest) information published by a third party:

> WikiLeaks has not taken down its social media links to the now dead link.

If that is all you got, then I have to believe gp that wikileaks doesn’t spread false information.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by bigbob2 »

burkaman wrote: post #278
bigbob2 wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that have to do with Assange being charged? EDIT: It seems any effort to seek clarification is discouraged here. My apologies.

It doesn't, it's a response to "I hope people don't forget that Wikileaks has never published anything that has been proven false. Not once."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the comment was a response not about proving that claim to be false (as the commenter pointed out there was no evidence either way), but rather the ethics of releasing data protected under HIPAA.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by lukifer »

timsally wrote: post #281
tptacek wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Never proven false" is an Orwellian turn of phrase, because WL's concern with accuracy is obviously not overriding: https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/757599082928082944?lang=en Also: why would I care that Hammond was prosecuted? Hammond was caught dead to rights.

Thanks for chiming in. I would also add that he put aid workers and activists at risk [1] and caused potential harm, torture, and death to dissidents in Afghanistan and Iraq [2]. Indiscriminate doxing to accomplish a radical agenda is not journalism. My view-- which I admit is broader than the point you made-- is that he is a criminal and should be tried and convicted. It makes me sick to my stomach that he cloaks hi…

"The burden of proof is on state power to justify itself." It seems very plausible that WL/Assange disclosed information irresponsibly, and if so, he should be held to account. The real concern is that I think we all know he isn't going to get anything resembling a fair trial; The Powers That Be are looking to send a message to any other would-be leakers and journalists with the audacity to challenge unaccountable state violence.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by hedora »

timmytokyo wrote: post #247
wazoox wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were credible until they were revealed as complete fabrications by no other than the UN human rights reporter: https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?N... https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2018/02/13/news/few_documen... https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2020-05-01/why-julia...

This is a highly deceptive description of the UN human rights rapporteur's report. The report claimed nothing about the veracity of the allegations that led to the Swedish investigation. Instead, it objected to the fact that Assange was detained without formal charges being made by the Swedish government. To complain that this report reveals the allegations as "complete fabrications" is in itself a complete fabricati…

The human rights rapporteur published an essay describing his experience investigating the allegations made by Assange’s lawyers. (I don’t have the link handy. It starts with a few paragraphs explaining that he did his best to avoid investigating the matter because it seemed like a politically wrought waste of time.

Among other things, he concluded that the investigation conducted by the Swedish government violated many of their own standard procedures in unprecedented ways, and also, at no point did the “accuser” accuse Assange of a crime or attempt to press charges.

Apparently, during consensual sex, a condom broke (I think there was slightly more to the story), and she wanted Assange to get an AIDS test. She asked the police if there was any way to compel him to get one.

That somehow then escalated (against her wishes) to a rape charge and an extradition battle.

So, “complete fabrication” is a slight exaggeration of the situation (the “accuser” exists, but didn’t accuse anyone of a crime).

I think the facts more than support the statement that it was a “politically-motivated, fabricated accusation”.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by mklarmann »

ShamelessC wrote: post #95
nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

I'm generally on Assange's side in all of this. I agree he shouldn't be charged and this is all a disgrace. Having said that, I once went to wikileaks and found a PDF of Steve Job's supposed STD test which claimed he was HIV positive. That was a surprise to me as my understanding was that he died of cancer. I looked into it and no one could corroborate the story and the general consensus seemed to be that it was fake…

In case the leak is true, this poses an interesting question, to why he received a liver... This cannot be standard ethical practice either?

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by fit2rule »

lordlimecat wrote: post #279
fit2rule wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where there is smoke, there is fire. Ask yourself this: why is it so important to leak information that is being held in secrecy by a state that is committing war crimes at an alarming rate ? The answer is: because the 5-eyes War Coalition is committing war crimes at an alarming rate. It literally started what it hoped to conflagration into World War 3, by invading Iraq illegally and on false pretences in 2003. And e…

> And every day since that invasion, the world has been on fire. Obviously things were peacable around the world beforehand, and every conflict or human rights violation since then can be blamed on the Iraq invasion. Never mind that civilian casualties by coalition forces are absolutely dwarfed by those by the opposition, or that US in general gets an extremely high degree of scrutiny and commits relatively few war c…

"The world is always at war" is not an excuse for the following illegal military murder and death campaigns waged against innocent people: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen.

The bombing must stop. The drones must be denied.

>Body Count:

https://www.psr.org/blog/resource/body-count/

2 million people lost in one war 'arena' is one thing. Another war arena, is another thing. 12 of them, for 20 years, is shear lunacy.

Iraq lost 5% of its population to US war.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by fwklein »

ryanlol wrote: post #280
tptacek wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Never proven false" is an Orwellian turn of phrase, because WL's concern with accuracy is obviously not overriding: https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/757599082928082944?lang=en Also: why would I care that Hammond was prosecuted? Hammond was caught dead to rights.

FWIW Zeynep isn’t concerned with accuracy either, WL did not dump private info of almost every woman in Turkey. This is simply a strange misattribution, the dump came via Emma Best of DDoSecrets, http://web.archive.org/web/20160727193612/https://twitter.co...

Why is this being downvoted? It's true and has been explained by Emma Best herself https://archive.is/0VsQR
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