Once again! Bravo Jack and the Twitter team! Thank you taking a stand against bullying.
Now if only they would crack down on the huge wave of Chinese bullshit they allow.
Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”
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#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's often troubling, but moderation has always been selective.
This particular selective moderation is functionally equivalent to Twitter giving their backing to an actual, real-world riot and associated calls to murder cops whilst hiding behind Section 230 in order to avoid any liability. That seems... inadvisable, though obviously popular with the political faction most of their employees come from.
It's not equivalent to that at all. They deleted his Tweet because it explicitly called for gun violence against protestors. That's the ostensible reasoning. Can you see why it might be problematic for the president of the nation to do that?
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#283One angle I don't see discussed: I wonder if Trump commits to more risky/bombastic/divisive plans as president because he feels confident that he can directly frame them and control the narrative by using his audience on Twitter, and he feels emboldened by how immediately Twitter is able to deliver the reactions. If there's a chance this is true, I can especially understand Twitter wanting to have no part in this. It…
Twitter should have suspended the account of a repeated rule breaker a long time ago. If I threatened to shoot the president, I would be in jail already, not to mention my twitter account would be suspended.
Twitter's stock price had far too much to gain to lose the traffic he brought. They are complicit in the current state of affairs.
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#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is using past violence as a threat of imminent violence while the other accounts you mentioned will generally reference violence indirectly or in the past tense. That is an important distinction.
He is the commander in chief. He has the capability to threaten violence. This tweet, while in bad taste IMO, was a threat to those who are planning to continue looting and burning buildings in Minneapolis. I’m not sure if you’ve seen the videos, but there are full scale riots. Rioters completely looted a Target and burned it nearly to the ground. Is “shooting” the answer to that? Probably not. And hopefully the Nati…
Shooting people is not even remotely a correct response to looting. It's why someone might be court marshalled, or dishonorably discharged.
The funny thing is...I remember back when we held the US President to a higher standard than say, the worst soldier in the National Guard. Just because he is making a public statement does not remove the ability of the platform to fact check or accompany it with the idea that it's wrong. News broadcasters can freely air Trump speeches and pair them with fact checks. If trump would like to not be editorialized, he should post this statement on the White Houses's site. The fact of the matter is that he uses twitter for the audience, the claps, the viral followers. Twitter is not a public place, he is using their service for their service and to reach their users. They have every right to make statements on this and enforce their rules.
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#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
I vote we move the discussion to reddit, which is a better suited platform for politics.
I'm sorry, but technology does not exist in a vacuum insulated from the rest of the universe. An implementation of any given application, its code, its infrastructure, and its services may be apolitical, but as a platform that is used for communication it is important that conversations be had about how these platforms are used. Perhaps you can bury your head in the sand and pretend that society is not falling apart…
I don't necessarily agree that this article is not appropriate for HN, but I do agree with the parent that, in general, it is not an appropriate venue for political discussions.
That is not to say that political discussions shouldn't be had -- simply that they shouldn't be had everywhere. In particular, different venues are appropriate for different discussions, and in my opinion we don't benefit if all spaces consist of homogenized topics.
If I want to discuss and learn about tech, HN is a good venue for that. If I want to learn about cooking, I might go to Youtube or Chowhound. If I want to delve into politics, I might go to NYT or Reddit.
However, when I'm searching for a recipe for banana bread, I don't care to discuss politics in the comments of that post, nor do I consider that preference to be burying my head in the sand. Adjustments to the amount of baking soda, or the replacement of bananas with plantains, yes; "orange man bad", no. Not because I don't agree, or because I am ignoring politics, but simply because it's not the place to have that conversation.
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#286I said it yesterday and got downvotes, Twitter’s CEO decided to pick sides in the political battle so they should expect what’s coming to them.
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#287This is amazing news, and I hope Twitter adopts this policy for all rules violations. Much better than deleting tweet or banning accounts, this lets people decide what they want to see. (Except for obvious spammers etc. which should probably be banned.) Even better would be if there were user-configurable "lists", whereby you could decide upfront what you want / don't want to see (like many sites do right now with NS…
I'm not actually against the idea, but arbitrary blocklists would accelerate bubbling people away from anyone who could possibly think differently from them, which has its own issues.
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#288As they should.
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#289Shooting looters?! Can't he drone strike middle eastern people or start another war, like decent American politicians do?
The former hits too close to home for people, literally.
Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”
#290One angle I don't see discussed: I wonder if Trump commits to more risky/bombastic/divisive plans as president because he feels confident that he can directly frame them and control the narrative by using his audience on Twitter, and he feels emboldened by how immediately Twitter is able to deliver the reactions. If there's a chance this is true, I can especially understand Twitter wanting to have no part in this. It…
I've said in the past that if Twitter had a "dislike" button in addition to the "like" button and only showed the cumulative score (like reddit or HN), Trump would've gotten much less gratification from Twitter due to lower net "likes" and would've given up Twitter entirely, which would almost certainly have altered his behavior.
Large scale botnets would likely be employed.