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Re: Authorities say Hobby Lobby's Gilgamesh tablet is stolen, must go back to Iraq

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Post by luckydata » Fri, May 22, 2020, 4:23 PM UTC

deathgrips wrote: post #271

luckydata wrote: post #262

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why "likelier"? We had invasions and racial mixing like everywhere else in the mediterranean, but that was happening during roman times too. I'm actually more of a cisalpine gaul than a roman myself, but the beauty of the empire was that it was multi cultural and multi racial. Said that, Italians absolutely look like romans, this is a small example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUPYm06gVc Our language is also the…

>Our language is also the closest to the type of Latin romans spoke during the empire (which itself evolved). Wrong. Modern Galician is the closest extant language to Latin, the next closest being Spanish. Romans fought wars against Italians for centuries, who after being conquered were regarded as allies , then as citizens , but never as Romans. The French and Germans have just as much Roman in their blood as the It…

That's just not true. The most similar is definitely Italian, your opinion doesn't count as fact.

https://languagevolcano.wordpress.com/2016/07/08/which-langu...

I don't speak Galego well but Spanish FOR SURE is not as close as Italian because it contains so many Arabic influences.

Also, you're referring to "cives romani" and obviously a person that didn't live in the city of Rome wasn't a roman.

Regarding the having "roman blood" for French and Germans, you're just wrong. I'm not even going to bother finding you resources because it's not my job to educate you, but I suggest you inform yourself before you start spewing incorrect notions like they are somehow facts.

Re: Authorities say Hobby Lobby's Gilgamesh tablet is stolen, must go back to Iraq

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Post by deathgrips » Sat, May 23, 2020, 4:47 AM UTC

luckydata wrote: post #281

deathgrips wrote: post #271

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>Our language is also the closest to the type of Latin romans spoke during the empire (which itself evolved). Wrong. Modern Galician is the closest extant language to Latin, the next closest being Spanish. Romans fought wars against Italians for centuries, who after being conquered were regarded as allies , then as citizens , but never as Romans. The French and Germans have just as much Roman in their blood as the It…

That's just not true. The most similar is definitely Italian, your opinion doesn't count as fact. https://languagevolcano.wordpress.com/2016/07/08/which-langu... I don't speak Galego well but Spanish FOR SURE is not as close as Italian because it contains so many Arabic influences. Also, you're referring to "cives romani" and obviously a person that didn't live in the city of Rome wasn't a roman. Regarding the having…

>The most similar is definitely Italian

Funny how even though I'm fluent in Latin and can understand a third of spoken Spanish (having never studied Spanish), I can barely understand 10% of Italian regardless of the accent I'm listening to or which city the speaker is from. It's also funny that several other fluent Latin speakers (and some professors) I've talked to agree about this.

>Also, you're referring to "cives romani" and obviously a person that didn't live in the city of Rome wasn't a roman.

No, not obviously. Romans thought of themselves as a separate ethnicity with a distinct language, culture, and religion from Italians. They are descended from a distinct tribe that settled the city. A Roman family who had lived in Gaul for generations would still be called Roman. An Italian family who had lived in Roma would still be called Italians and cives Romani. Romans settled throughout their conquered territory, which included Italy, Hispania, Britannia, and Gaul. Like it or not, those regions have as much demonstrable Roman blood as modern day Italians whom are mostly descended from Italic tribes, not from Romans.

>it's not my job to educate you

Thank heavens my education of the Latin language and Roman history doesn't depend on you.

Re: Authorities say Hobby Lobby's Gilgamesh tablet is stolen, must go back to Iraq

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Post by deathgrips » Sat, May 23, 2020, 4:52 AM UTC

dntbnmpls wrote: post #280

deathgrips wrote: post #273

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>Without the mongols, we don't have the italian renaissance and modern europe and without modern europe we don't have modern civilization. The empire created by the mongols is why marco polo went east. It's also why christopher columbus set sail. Without the mongols, we don't have the new world. I'll take whig historiography for $500, Alex.

No. Just geopolitical, economic, historical facts. Meaning, what actually happened. Sorry if it doesn't mesh with your "mud huts" worldview and agenda.

Without the Mongols no one would have discovered the new world to this day?