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A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Any thought of writing a WaPo, NYT, etc. editorial? With an idea this potentially impactful and your credentials, seems like you'd have a good shot of being accepted.

Is that where decision makers are looking right now? I don't ask this to be snarky, but it seems that they post so many op-eds that it would get buried

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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This is the same thing as a vaccine (but without doing the safety due diligence). IMHO as a not-medical-professional, we’d be better off with just using one of the (dead) vaccine candidates early than with a slightly attenuated live virus.

We actually started clinical trials of the Moderna mRNA vaccine in humans a month ago. We may have some early safety data. Better that than intentionally exposing people.

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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There are plenty of shortcuts in medicine. Think how you would stop this strain from being spread by individuals once it was identified. This strain will spread no matter what the FDA says. Personally I think the regulatory authorities would rapid approve it based on the epidemiology data collected in the process of finding the strain. The FDA has already shown that it can move faster than its usual glacial pace give…

Serious question: are we not? People are sequencing these things like crazy (c.f. the nextstrain.org data). Epidemiologists are working like mad to come up with data on severity in regions all over the globe. Virologists everywhere are dropping what they're doing otherwise to work on covid. It sorta strains reason to argue that none of these people thought of looking for an attenuated strain. Isn't the simpler truth…

The sequencing is not the important thing here, but the search for strains with gene deletions and contact tracing everyone in the area to find more cases to prove the strain is attenuated. As far as I know nobody is doing this.

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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> If it was killing 50-60% of people infected then yes the selection pressure would be there it isnt killing, but it's isolating them, preventing its spread

That's already baked in to human responses to suspected COVID-19 though, and a chance mutation to a less lethal strain would be unlikely to change human responses to an outbreak in a way which benefited the virus' ability to spread.

i assume we re looking for asymptomatic people, they won't have quarantined themselves

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Serious question: are we not? People are sequencing these things like crazy (c.f. the nextstrain.org data). Epidemiologists are working like mad to come up with data on severity in regions all over the globe. Virologists everywhere are dropping what they're doing otherwise to work on covid. It sorta strains reason to argue that none of these people thought of looking for an attenuated strain. Isn't the simpler truth…

they re probably not sequencing asymptomatic people's virus, it would require some specific expedition. it doesn't even sound hard or expensive reply to @ajross: how would they know someone is asymptomatic? afaik they are mostly testing people who have symptoms , and their contacts (who will have contracted the same , symptomatic strain) I think in germany they did antibody testing, or PCR of swabs of people who most…

Are they not? That seems like a pretty obvious experiment to do.

For reference: I have a family member in virology. He reports that everyone he knows is now working on covid, mostly because if they don't they can't come to work on anything. The biggest problem is finding subjects that will produce a paper of any kind. I really don't think research bandwidth is the issue here.

I guess I have to repeat the question as its converse: is there any evidence that this is not happening? If it isn't, let's figure out the right people to pressure and not just discuss it on HN. And if it is, maybe we should let the experts do their work without pretending to have had their ideas for them?

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Finding an attenuated strain that spreads as easily but is less deadly does sound like our best hope. Such a strain would "crowd out" the deadly strain, effectively blocking it from causing harm.

If life was a Star Trek episode, Picard would be saying "Make it so" right about now.

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Serious question: are we not? People are sequencing these things like crazy (c.f. the nextstrain.org data). Epidemiologists are working like mad to come up with data on severity in regions all over the globe. Virologists everywhere are dropping what they're doing otherwise to work on covid. It sorta strains reason to argue that none of these people thought of looking for an attenuated strain. Isn't the simpler truth…

they re probably not sequencing asymptomatic people's virus, it would require some specific expedition. it doesn't even sound hard or expensive reply to @ajross: how would they know someone is asymptomatic? afaik they are mostly testing people who have symptoms , and their contacts (who will have contracted the same , symptomatic strain) I think in germany they did antibody testing, or PCR of swabs of people who most…

It is not hard to do the sequencing to find candidate attenuated strains (you are just looking for strains with deletions in key genes). The more difficult part is all the contact tracing in the area around where the strain is first found to check if the strain really is attenuated.

The ideal outcome is you find a strain with a deletion and you then test everyone in the area and you find 10,000 more people infected with the strain that have only a mild case and none of these people are in the hospitals. This strain would be very valuable to have.

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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The Netherlands is testing with plasma from a recovered patient right now: Source: https://nos.nl/artikel/2330036-nederlandse-coronapatient-hee... NB: I am NOT a microbiologist and do not know how far this is related.

Here's some info on that from US FDA: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/investigational...

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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they re probably not sequencing asymptomatic people's virus, it would require some specific expedition. it doesn't even sound hard or expensive reply to @ajross: how would they know someone is asymptomatic? afaik they are mostly testing people who have symptoms , and their contacts (who will have contracted the same , symptomatic strain) I think in germany they did antibody testing, or PCR of swabs of people who most…

Are they not? That seems like a pretty obvious experiment to do. For reference: I have a family member in virology. He reports that everyone he knows is now working on covid, mostly because if they don't they can't come to work on anything. The biggest problem is finding subjects that will produce a paper of any kind. I really don't think research bandwidth is the issue here. I guess I have to repeat the question as…

If you know anyone working on my idea please let me know as I will update my blog post. Nothing would please me more than to learn that someone is already doing this on a serious level.
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