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Additional 6.6M File for Initial Unemployment Benefits [pdf]

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If the economy bounced back to what it was on Feb 28th, what is your acceptable number of dead? Would you trade 9 million unemployed for 9 million dead? Do you think that wouldn't have an effect on the market as well? We're in it now, and no amount of wanting to hit the abort button will change anything. It's a fantasy to assume people will just go back to work, the economy will get better, and everything will return…

>If the economy bounced back to what it was on Feb 28th, what is your acceptable number of dead? Would you trade 9 million unemployed for 9 million dead? Do you think that wouldn't have an effect on the market as well? The vast majority of those dead are going to be 65+. Maybe I'm just feeling salty this morning, but considering how much that generation has stuck it to my generation I'm not even a little bit interest…

Is this sort of framing not a perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face?

Re: Additional 6.6M File for Initial Unemployment Benefits [pdf]

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In many places being unemployed pays more than being employed. Not sure why the downvotes. It’s literally true for the first time ever. The way the new benefits work out your unemployment check STARTS at the equivalent of $15/hr x 40hr/week = $600/wk. In California, for example, you can get up to $1,050/wk instead of the old maximum of $450/wk.

When I was unemployed after my first job out of college, I was making a little over $420/week on unemployment. I ended up taking a manufacturing job where I made $10/hour for a 40hr/week job. So I made less money by working than if I had stayed on unemployment. And that hourly wage was quite a bit higher than minimum wage.

So you worked 100% more/harder and still made less...what a perverse system.

Re: Additional 6.6M File for Initial Unemployment Benefits [pdf]

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80% like their healthcare. I think a significant part of that 55% doesn’t realize that Medicare for all takes away their health insurance. It seems when people get educated on Medicare for all, it declines in popularity. https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcar...

I am not sure how how people like their health care. It seems like every big company is moving toward High Deductible plan. Even Microsft has a high deductible plan. Even if you think you are covered there will be a doctors who you think is in network because you go to an in network hospital who really is out of network.

Unions negotiated great Cadillac plans for their members. I can’t believe MSFT doesn’t have a platinum plan with a $300 deductible, every tech company has great medical insurance benefits to be competitive in the employment market.

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And all this for a virus that kills around 1% of the people who get it, and the majority of them are retired. Future generations will look at us and wonder how we were this stupid.

You should check the numbers coming out of Italy. It’s not 1% if the medical system is overwhelmed. Moreover, you do realize that’s 3 million dead in the US alone?

If you want accurate testing data, look to Germany or SK

Re: Additional 6.6M File for Initial Unemployment Benefits [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many places being unemployed pays more than being employed. Not sure why the downvotes. It’s literally true for the first time ever. The way the new benefits work out your unemployment check STARTS at the equivalent of $15/hr x 40hr/week = $600/wk. In California, for example, you can get up to $1,050/wk instead of the old maximum of $450/wk.

> In many places being unemployed pays more than being employed. You're being downvoted because you overgeneralized ("many places"), but this is actually true in some scenarios. See "Unemployed workers could get more than 100% of their paycheck under the coronavirus bill" https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/how-unemployed-workers-could... It's a perverse incentive to getting people back to work, so I expect this loophole…

"I expect this loophole will be closed soon" What makes you think that?

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Unemployment benefits have been significantly expanded under the Coronavirus aid bill. The benefit amounts will sound small if you're living in an expensive city like SF or Seattle, but $600/week from the federal government and a similar amount from state unemployment insurance means that unemployment benefits can pay up to an equivalent of $50-60K/year right now. That goes a long way in most parts of the country, es…

> $600/week from the federal government and a similar amount from state unemployment insurance benefits can pay up to an equivalent of $50-60K/year right now LOL. My state maxes at $330/wk and that's taxable income. IDK if the Fed is taxing their payout, pulling other shenanigans (remember Bush II's stimulus checks were a "tax prebate"), or how long they'll pay. $3,720/m is about 60% of my net income, after taxes and…

> It'll pay my mortgage, utilities, and keep me out of jail for driving without car insurance. That's about it.

That's the point.

It's not intended to replace your job. It's there to keep you afloat until you find your next job.

Re: Additional 6.6M File for Initial Unemployment Benefits [pdf]

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Unemployment benefits have been significantly expanded under the Coronavirus aid bill. The benefit amounts will sound small if you're living in an expensive city like SF or Seattle, but $600/week from the federal government and a similar amount from state unemployment insurance means that unemployment benefits can pay up to an equivalent of $50-60K/year right now. That goes a long way in most parts of the country, es…

$600/week after tax is surely a massive amount and enough to give a family a very comfortable lifestyle. I always thought it was cheaper to live in the US than in the UK. That amount here would give you a luxurious lifestyle. What am I missing?

"What am I missing?" American citizenship?

Re: Additional 6.6M File for Initial Unemployment Benefits [pdf]

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post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the economy bounced back to what it was on Feb 28th, what is your acceptable number of dead? Would you trade 9 million unemployed for 9 million dead? Do you think that wouldn't have an effect on the market as well? We're in it now, and no amount of wanting to hit the abort button will change anything. It's a fantasy to assume people will just go back to work, the economy will get better, and everything will return…

>If the economy bounced back to what it was on Feb 28th, what is your acceptable number of dead? Would you trade 9 million unemployed for 9 million dead? Do you think that wouldn't have an effect on the market as well? The vast majority of those dead are going to be 65+. Maybe I'm just feeling salty this morning, but considering how much that generation has stuck it to my generation I'm not even a little bit interest…

Not to mention all the assets that would be freed up for younger generations.

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sick of hearing this silliness: https://www.ecodibergamo.it/stories/bergamo-citta/coronaviru... so yeah, they barely test half the dead people (which are still double the normal deaths...). And A LOT of covid patients means a lot of deaths as well, bc. at 1.3% (Diamond Princess, where people are still not through it/dying) to 5% letality, the thing IS BAD.

A cruise ship skews older and most people from Diamond Princess should be out of it by now.

with emphasis on "should". Most people started to argue with the low number of deaths, when there were 5. Now there are at least 10 and about 100 people unaccounted in statistics...

Re: Additional 6.6M File for Initial Unemployment Benefits [pdf]

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This "economy is paused" idea is getting more and more unjustifiable by the day, weeks, and months. We're not going to emerge from this and just hit the unpause button. Yes some industries will bounce back quickly, but 9 million people over two weeks losing their jobs is an absolutely massive number, and we haven't hit peak yet. There's no way they'll just be simply rehired when this is "done".

Dead people can't go back to work.

But there will be a lot more job openings for those that can.
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